religious experience Flashcards
mystical experience
direct contact / oneness with god or ultimate reality
what is organised religion to james
organised religion is a response to religious experience
PINT
Passive
Noetic
Transient
Passive
passive
loss of agency over body
ineffable
defies expression, you cant communication
noetic
revelation
transient
temporal shift
physiological accounts of religious experiences
religious / mystical experiences can be reduces to the effects of brain states. (eg temporal lobe epilepsy)
materialist - delusion caused by brain
who talks about the temporal lobe epilepsy
Dr Persinger
bertrand russell criticism
uses the story of the great hero, the story can have a great effect on your life, but may be completely false.
carolyn franks davies comment and Vardy comeback
she says that we are experiencing the same thing but describe it using our own language and cultural traditions
vardy criticises saying “how could one claim that an experience of Mary at Lourdes or of Vishnu were the same?” = closer to an assertion than a real point
william james positives x3
- empirical, objective, scientific
- not drawn into proving a god - universal experience
- focus on effects is observable
william james negatives
- positive experiences dont prove its genuine (russell)
- may be misunderstood (drugs or stupidity)
clifford criticism of william james
wrong to believe on insufficient evidence
swinburne clapback at clifford x1.5
principles of testimony - supporting if a credible witness testifies to an experience, it should be taken seriously, unless there is good reason to doubt their credibility
(prima facie) - innocent before proven guilty!1
Rudolph Otto
“mysterium, tremendum, et facinans”
refers to the fearful and fascinating mystery one experiences when faced with the “wholly other”
BOOK “The Idea of the Holy”
=> use his description to verify whether an individual has truly experienced the divine or if it is hysteria
pros of corporate x2
- collective verification
- greater scrutiny
pros of individual experience x1 and expl
- profound personal change
eg george foreman and saul on the road to damascus.
collective verification plus example
adds to credibility
eg toronto blessing
greater scrutiny plus example
miracle of the sun 1917
was rigorously examined by astronomers, physicists.
cons of corporate religious experiences x2 with 1st example and what counters 2nd
- social pressure and group think
toronto blessing - mass hysteria
COUNTERED BY MYSTERIUM, TREMENDUM, FACINANS
freud quick X4
infantile neurosis
wish fulfillment
unhealthy, obsessional rituals, repression of urges
DELUSIONS
jo marchant claps back at freud
religion is about belonging, meaning, food for mental health and resilience.
cons of religious experience
- lacks verification, easier to dismiss as subjective or hallucinatory
- deception with mental illness
- persinger and materialist views