Lecture 6 Flashcards
Professor Hart def of law
Hart defined law as a system of rules, a union of primary and secondary rules,
positivist theorists distinguish law and morality as
law is what is and morality is what ought to be
recognise separation
natural law theorists
higher principle behind the legal system.
Fuller is
natural law theorist
critique of legal positivism
austinian law of command is inadequate
2nd critqiue of legal positivism
problem of penumbra
Problem of penumbra
occasionally when attempting to determine law, the established meaning is inadequate or obsolote, so judges must interpret
what does problem of penumbra say
even positivist judges are what law must mean by what it ought to mean
problem of penumbra solution to Hart
What ought to be is not seen as a moral sense, does not fall outside law
It is understood within a rational legal framework
Third critique
internally consistent morally bad law
e.g. german nazi regime.
So you need higher principle behind the legal regime otherwise no way to condemn these morally bad regimes
Hart defends…
minimum content theory of natural law
Minimum content theory of natural law
to overcome morally bad law, hart allows certain influence of morality within the legal system
Only so much moral infiltration to maintain internal consistency of legal system
Inclusionary positivism and exclusionary positvisim
Exclusionary positivism
Inclusionary positivism: allows certain level of morality into legal system - hart shows some steps
Exclusionary positvism: no morality
Fuller is unclear for Hart
the distinction between what is and ought to be is really about morality.
Hart says when deciding what ought to be
from within the legal system framework. Legal framework is freestanding
Fuller says what ought to be according to natural law
is about preserving fidelity to law itself - beyond the law. Step back from legal system. Legal system ought to have fidelity
This doesn’t come out of law itself. something you appeal to make law consistent.
What does Fuller say about the way legal positivists conceive morality
That legal positivists accuse natural law theorists being concerned with preserving precious moral principles
Content of morality for fuller
Fidelity to law is internal to law is actually that moral source external to law that informs legal system.
Fuller’s response to hart
distinction
external morality
Moral suggestion that one must follow the law.
Some people conflate law and morality.
e.g. legal must be moral, be moral to be
To think natural law theorists are speaking about law and morality, this is external morality
Fuller’s response to hart
distinction
Internal morality
It is not external morality, rather internal morality - conscience
believes legal positivists like Hart recognise this internal morality “principles of natural justice” “justice in the administration of laws”
Positivists accept
principles of natural justice like
Cannot be judge and defendant.
Both parties must be heard
Because positivists accepts principles of morality
Fuler argues this is a way for morality to enter into legal positivism
Problem of the penumbra
what does a particular word mean?
You go from what is to what ought to be
When should one be punished accoding to natural law theorists
violate basic principles of human conscience e.g. woman of nazi reported her husband for criticising hitler
How does Hart address problems of command of law?
Distinguishes primary and secondary rule
Primary rule fit into Austinian sense
Secondary rule = operation of primary rule e.g. rules of adjudication, rules of recognition that binds that binds public officials
Morally bad law, though valid
do not have to be obeyed. obedience is a choice
Fuller describes 8 principles of inner morality of law
- Existent, not ad hoc (cannot make up in process already be there)
- Promulgated
- Prospective not retrospective
- Clear and comprehensive (make sense in itself and broader legal system)
- various aspects must be consistent e.g. fam law consistent with crim
- possible to be obeyed
- constant or relatively long lasting
- applied and administred as stated
To sum, for fuller
law must serve a purpose. Legal system points to a higher purpose which is to achieve social order by subjecting system of law to moral scrutiny (conscience; intenral morality)
Failure to comply with principles could make certain laws invalid
Fuller seems to claim that
Hart’s minimum content of morality in law is common meeting ground
Natural law theory
laws are pre-existing. role of human to discover this
rules and standards are derived from facts about our nature and our world; rules we follow are derived from natural laws
Greek natural law theorists
Christian natural law theorists
Laws already there, humans cannot create it
Created by God.
critique of positive law
how does sovereign decide to pass on law if not guided by morality
What positivism does not do
distinguish between good and bad, only answers validity
Natural theorists argue that there is no rule governing law making
Hart says
The rule that governs law making is socially accepted
but what if there are protests etc.
In contrast to natural law theorists, legal positivists assert that
laws are merely a compendium of rules designed by a sovereign (usually the state) for the regulation of society. It is NOT, they suggest, a universal moral code to which we must submit
, laws retain their validity
irrespective of their perceived (im)morality, so long as it is properly made (pedigree) by the recognised law-making authority.
People do not obey the law because
People do not obey the law because they feel morally inclined to do so, rather because they respect the legitimacy of the law-making body and fear that the state’s coercive forces (police, prosecutors, etc.) will punish them if they do not.
Problems raised by legal theorists
Must we obey all laws simply because the state tells us to? What if the law calls for behaviour that we consider immoral? How do we reconcile our legal duty with our moral preferences?
Problems hart had with Austinian theory of law
- erroneous assumption that all legal rules make commands or impose sanctions. includes powers and privileges e.g. right to free speech
there are laws that confer powers and are not backed by sanctions
Law is based on acceptance not punishment for disobedience.
Two types of laws according to hart
primary rules
citizens are bound by rules, not because state will punish if disobedient, they accept that it is a sensible way of regulating. Right thing for them and others. accept their duty to obey the law
- impose obligations. regulate behaviour directly by telling us what we ought and ought not to do
Law is based on acceptance not punishment for disobedience.
Two types of laws according to hart
Secondary law
confer power rather than impose duties
- rules of adjudcation, rules of change and rules of recogntion: acceptance of law by society
Law and morality
moral and legal rules may overlap. But at the same time, legal rules may not have any moral basis
For hart, legality does not stem from
morality, stems from social practice.
Critique of morality by Hart when a judge
- resorts to morality to issue a ruling, the content of law becomes arbitrary
- Subjectivity of morality. Conflicting morals. Whose morality is the judge to apply? their own, parties, government?
Relvance of the Hart and Fuller debate
The debate as to whether law should be mutually exclusive date has not ceased and is still debated today
Some of the most recognised and influential natural law theorists
including Fuller, Aristotle, Plato and St. Thomas Aquinas argued that law is legitimate only if it promotes the common good i.e. legality corresponds with what is morally right and just
The antithesis to natural law theory is the legal school of thought known as legal positism. Legal positivists such as
H.L.A Hart and Thomas Hobbes argue that law is only legitimate if it has been enacted through the proper channels by someone with absolute power. Content of law is irrelevant
What did Hart advocate
In 1961, the father of legal positivsim, H.L.A Hart, he advocated for a separation between law and morality. Clear distinction between what law is and what it ought to be