Nature or Attributes of God Flashcards
eternal timeless
God is eternal since he is outside of space and time. God has always existed and always will since time separates him
(Boethius, Aquinas)
eternal everlasting
god is eternal but also in time but at all points in time (Swinburne)
Who is lady philosophy
Boethius’ mouthpiece for his own ideas - a personification of wisdom while he is in prison and sentenced to death
What 4 negatives does Boethius point out about the incompatibility of foreknowledge and free will
when talking to lady philosophy
- if no human acts are free then rewards and punishments are useless and lose their basis
- ideas of virtue and vice called into question if praise nor blame deserved
- God must be the author of all the evil we do if the order of our events depends on him
- if there is a fixed future then there is no use of hope and prayer (undermines key uniting bond between god and man)
How does Lady philosophy respond to Boethius’ criticisms
- God is timeless so it is not his future - sees it all at once
- God is other to humans - cant contain him within human logic
- solves issue of free will because he doesn’t predict the future since for him there is no future it is all the ‘eternal present’
Issues with an eternal timeless god (4)
- contradicts scripture which presents god as personal and involved - would have to be in time to perform miracles
- Swinburne: doesn’t make sense for all events to be simultaneously presented to God
- can a timeless god be loving?
- prayer is pointless
3 positives about an eternal timeless god
time would limit a god so has to be outside of it
emphasises how ‘other’ god is to humans
good way to explain why incarnation had to happen
Wolterstorff on a timeless god
what makes a god worthy of worship is that he is personal - people can experience him through miracles and prayer.
Swinburnes issue with a timeless God
not logical for a god to experience all events at the same time
- if god knows specifically about 1995, then he must have existed in 1995 to have concept of time
How does Swinburnes everlasting God solve issue of free will
gods omniscience doesn’t include events in the future because they don’t exist yet
increases as time goes on but can make predictions because he has perfect knowledge of everyone
Kenny and Nero fiddling
If god is a timeless God then he would see everything at the same time so would see Kenny writing at the same time as Nero fiddling and Rome burning
John Locke on freedom and how it links to Gods foreknowledge
even if we have choices, if God can see the future and has predetermined it, we have no free will since we cannot change the future
Schleiermacher on free will and evaluation
doesn’t know the future but sees us as a close friend
eval: not a fair comparison because god has perfect knowledge so will perfectly predict the future - therefore future is still fixed
Criticisms of everlasting god
- limited by time
- if he does not know the future he is not omniscient and not limited
Who might say God could make 3 X 3 = 11?
Logically impossible. Descartes.
an example of a paradox of an omnipotent god
can god sin
can god make a rock so heavy he cant lift
a square triangle