Episode 3 Flashcards
Creon’s expectation of HAemon
“do you love me no matter what I do?”
HAemon loves his father
appeals to family: “I’m your son”
“you in your wisdom se my bearing for me–I obey you”
“no marriage could ever mean more to me than you
How Creon thinks HAemon should feel
you ought to feel subordinate to your father’s will in every way
What does a man pray for
a man prays to produce good sons (he has this now but will lose it)
danger of a woman
“never lose your sense of judgement over a woman” (in many ways this is what he has done)
the greatest hurt
no wound cuts deeper than a loved one turned against you (this is what he is about to do, what he has done to Antigone, he doesn’t realise this is all his doing)
Why must he kill her
He’s proud, hes not going to prove himself a liar to his people, hes going to kill her because of pride.
Importance of ruling and laws
a man who rules his household well is fit to rule the state (but hes failing)
who violates laws will win no praise from me, the man placed by the city in authority his orders must be obeyed right or wrong (he’s undermining the gods’ law)
Anarchy
There is no greater crime than Anarchy
destroys cities
breaks spearmen into headlong rout
Creon links Anarchy and women together, places them as the enemy and rule and law as the good
therefore we must defend the men who live by law, never let some women triumph over us (in the same sentence, anarchy and women are not synonymous, the hint of nonsense permeates through his argument)
never be rated inferior to a woman, never/
Leader’s reaction to Creon’s speech
Leader says that what he has to say he says with sense
Haemon on Reason and making mistakes
-reason is the finest of all the gods gifts
I haven’t the skill or desire to tell you if you make a slip in speech
Haemon, the people’s real opinion of Antigone
the man in the street dreads your glance would never say anything displeasing to your face (what people have been saying all along)
the city mourns for this girl, no woman ever deserved death less for such a glorious action she deserves a glowing crown of gold
the rumour spreads in secret, darkly”- shows him to be manipulative
Haemon honours him
I rejoice in your success, nothing more precious to me in the world (a lie)
“What medal of honour brighter to his children than a father’s growing glory? OR a child’s to his proud father”
Haemon tells Creon not to be unbending
Don’t be so single minded and assume the world is wrong and you are right
It’s no disgrace, even for a wise man, to learn things and not be too rigid
“You’ve seen” trees that bend left intact, the stubborn are ripped out by a raging torrent
if a sailing man hauls his sheets too taught, the boat will capsize (ship of state), popular image in Athenian literature used by Plato, common image to the Athenians)
Leader supports them both
LEader, advises Creon to learn from him, tells Haemon to learn from Creon, you are both talking sense.
Age
Creon: men of our age are to be lectured by a boy his age?
Haemon: look less to my years and more to what I do
rebels
Creon: thinks “do” means admiring rebels, asks if he believes it is an achievement (he is unbending)
HAemon
the whole city denies that Antigone has committed treason.
Creon on ruling
Creon: is the city going to tell me how to rule
am I to rule this city for others or myself
his response to HAeon’s point that its not a city if owned by one man alone: “the city’s the king’s that’s the law!” (he misinterprets laws)
-I do believe hes fighting on the woman’s side (not a question of gender but one of right and wrong)
Haemon is worried about CReon, Creon’s irrationality is shown
Haemon states that his concern is all for him, he knows Creon is in danger,
Creon doesn’t understand and thinks he’s threatening him, his own father, with justice.
HAemon points out that hes offending justice
What CReon thinks he’s doing, but what HAemon points out hes actually doing
Creon says hes protecting his royal rights
Haemon says but he trampling down the honours of the gods (Creon has put himself above the gods).
Creons violent insults and threats
Creon’s final insult is “you woman’s slave” (it becomes clear that there is a gender issue and a sense of personal pride)
Creon threatens to kill her in front of him, beside her groom
Haemon rushes out
Haemon rushes out saying he will never see him again
Leader warns that HAemon might do something violent
