Cardiac Flashcards
What is Preload?
Amount of pressure in heart at the end of diastole
or amount of blood distending the ventricles prior to the next contraction
What is Afterload?
Amount of pressure produced by the heart after contraction
or resistance to the outflow of blood-what the heart has to pump against
What does Inotropic affect?
Myocardial contractility
What does Chronotropic affect?
Heart rate (chrono=time)
What does Lusitropic affect?
Relaxation
What does a vasopressor affect?
Causes vasoconstriction–>Increase b/p
What does a vasodilator affect?
Causes vessels to dilate–>decreases SVR & lowers B/P
The autonomic nervous system has 2 parts, name them.
SNS-sympathetic
PNS-parasympathetic
Name the neurotransmitters in the SNS
Norepinephrine
Epinephrine
Dopamine
The sympathetic NS stimulates different ________ receptors depending on sructure
Adrenergic
Activation of the SNS produces _____ or _____ response
Fight or Flight
Alpha 1 receptors are present in?
Vascular beds
When activated, Alpha 1 receptors cause?
Vasoconstriction of arteries and veins (increased b/p)
Alpha 2 receptors are present on?
presynaptic nerve endings
What do Alpha 2 receptors do? (2 things)
- Inhibit presynaptic release of norepinephrine through feedback mechanism
- Decreases sympathetic outflow
- –it regulates fight/flight response
Name the 7 types of Adrenergic receptors
- Alpha 1
- Alpha 2
- Beta 1
- Beta 2
- Dopaminergic
- Vasopressin 1
- Vasopressin 2
Where are Beta 1 receptors located?
Cardiac muscle
What do Beta 1 receptors do?
Increase Heart Rate Increase Contractility (inotropic effect)
Where are Beta 2 receptors located?
Bronchial muscle
Peripheral vasculature
Liver
What do Beta 2 receptors do?
Bronchodilate lungs
Vasodilate peripheral vasculature-(sometimes see this as s/e)
Increase glucose release from Liver
Where are Dopaminergic receptors located?
Kidneys & viscera
What do Dopaminergic receptors do?
Dilate arterioles in Renal and Splanchnic (mesenteric/splenic/hepatic beds) circulation.
Where are Vasopressin 1 receptors located?
Smooth muscle
Liver
Tissues
What do Vasopressin 1 recpetors do?
Cause vasoconstriction–> Increase b/p
Where are Vasopressin 2 receptors located?
Kidneys
What do Vasopressin 2 receptors do?
Increase water permeability and reabosption in the collecting tubules–> Increase b/p
True/False: Some medications actually have to touch the receptor to work (actual physical contact).
True
Name 2 Inotropes
- Dobutamine (Beta 1 activity)
2. Isoproterenol
Name 2 types of vasopressors/inotropes with mixed effects that act directly on the receptor.
- Dopamine
2. Epinephrine
True/False: the infant heart differs in how it responds to meds to tx CHF vs older child/adult
True
Why is an infant’s response to CHF meds different than child/adult? (2 things)
Limited response to Inotropes &
Electrolyte and metabolic reaction differences in their heart.
Why do infants have limited response to inotropes? (6 things)
- Immature heart
- Restricted functional reserve
- Lower ratio of active myofilaments to noncontractile elements
- Greater stiffness of ventricle
- Underdeveloped sympathetic nerves
- Higher CO per unit Surface Area
Name the Pure Inotropes used in NICU
Digoxin
Dobutamine
Milrinone
Isoproterenol
True/False: Digoxin has a very narrow therapeutic range
True
What are the MOA’s of Digoxin? (5 things)
- By inhibiting Na+/K+ ATPase pump
- Slows conduction through SA & AV nodes
- Decreases HR by increasing Vagal activity
- Decreases Cardiac filling pressures and capillary pressures
- Has anti-arrhythmic properties
When the Na+/K ATPase pump is inhibited, what does this cause?
Increased intracellular Na+ & Ca++
Increased Contractility
Why is there increased contractility with Digoxin?
The heart likes Ca++ to pump and there is increased intracellular Ca++
Digoxin is used to tx?
L-sided heart failure
Atrial fibrillation/flutter
Is Digoxin used to tx R-sided heart failure?
No
Are loading doses of Digoxin typically used?
No-d/t risk of toxicity
When might a loading dose of Digoxin be used?
What must be done with a Dig load?
Arrhythmias
Acute heart failure
Dose must be split
Are IV and PO Digoxin doses equivalent?
NO
With IV Digoxin, it’s given slowly over 5-10 min. What should the order include? Why?
HR cut off for holding dose.
Can be a tip off for toxicity.
Where is Digoxin absorbed?
GI
GI absorption of Digoxin is affected by?
Immature gut flora affected by:
- Age
- Feeding type
- Drug therapy (i.e. acid suppression)
True/False: Because of immature gut flora in infants, there can be a reduction in the metabolism of Digoxin
True
Only 10% of Dig is metabolized by gut flora in adults
The distribution of Digoxin is Larger/Smaller in infants vs. adults?
Larger
Digoxin is Eliminated how?
Urine (active tubular secretion) via Renal P-glycoprotein
-monitor closely w/renal dysfunction
What does Renal P-glycoprotein do?
It’s a transporter involved in tubular secretion of drugs
***Drug-drug interactions possible: inhibitors & inducers—i.e. Dig (substrate) + Erythromycin (inhibitor)=increased Dig levels
When should Dig levels be checked? (5 things)
- Toxicity
- Accidental ingestions
- Renal Failure
- Compliance
- Absoprtion issues
What is the best time for Dig level?
Trough-right before next due dose.
What are EDLS?
Endogenous Digoxin-like substances. Sometimes found in infants.
What do EDLS do?
Interfere w/interpretation of serum concentrations
True/False: EDLS decrease with increasing GA?
True
What consideration to EDLS might you want to take?
Draw blood level before starting Dig therapy. Will tell you if EDLS present. If not, serum testing may be a useful guide.
What are the adverse effects of Dig?
Bradycardia, Ventricular arrhythmias, SA/AV block
Feeding intolerance
Hypokalemia potentiates Dig toxicity
Hyperkalemia w/Acute Dig toxicity
Besides K+, what other electrolytes can predispose infant to Dig toxcity?
Hypomagnesemia
Hypercalcemia
What drugs decrease the absorption of Dig?
Antiacids, Metoclopramide, Sucralfate
What drugs increase concentration of Dig?
Erythromycin, azithromycin, Amiodarone, Verapamil, Nifedepine, Spironolactone, Carvedilol
What drug causes decreased clearance of Dig?
Indomethacin (decreased GFR)
Dobutamine is a synthetic __________
So it does not what?
Catecholamine
Depend on release of endogenous catecholamines for it’s activity
Dobutamine primarily stimulates what receptors?
Beta 1
The Beta 1 action of Dobutamine causes what effects?
-Increases contractility and therefore CO
(positive inotrope)
-Little effect on HR (mild chronotropic effect)
-Increased Stroke Vol.
-Mild increase in myocardial O2 consumption
With Dobutamine, besides Beta 1 receptor action, what other receptors may have mild activity?
So what might you see?
Beta 2 (vasodilation of periphery) Alpha 1
Could see a little: hypertension, Increased SVR, b/c can have an opposite effect from Beta 1 with Alpha 1
Does Dobutamine cause increased U.O.? Why
Yes
Increased CO
Does Dobutamine increase SVR?
No, mild at high doses.
What situations is Dobutamine used for?
Shock, hypotension, congestive heart failure
What are the adverse effects of Dobutamine?
- Tachycardia (monitor HR, B/P, C.O.)–use caution in pts w/A fib. (can see increased conduction)–
- IV extravasation (not as severe since no Alpha effects)
Milrinone is a _________ inhibitor.
Phosphodiesterase (Ino-dilator)
Milrinone causes increased Ca++ entry into myocardial cells which causes increased ____________.
Contractility
Milrinone causes relaxation of ________ _____ & ___________ which reduces both preload and afterload (lusitropic effect)
Vascular muscle & Vasodilation
In what situations is Milrinone used?
- Septic shock
- Short-term for acute decompensated heart-failure
- Low CO after surgery
- Pulmonary Hypertension
Is a loading dose of Milrinone used?
No, d/t resulting increased b/p
Milrinone is ___________ eliminated.
Renally, so need to adjust the dose with dysfunction
What are the side effects of Milrinone?
Hypotension & Arrhythmias
Thrombocytopenia & Hepatotoxicity
Hypokalemia
What is an advantage of Milrinone?
- Longer half-life than Dopa, Dobuta, etc
- Can just stop the drip (no wean usually needed)
Isoproterenol like Dobutamine is…?
Synthetic
Isoproterenol stimulates what receptors?
Beta 1 & Beta 2
Does Isoproterenol stimulate Alpha receptors?
No
The Beta 1 action of Isoproterenol causes an increase in? (3 things)
Rate of contraction (HR)
Force of contraction (Contractility)
Cardiac output
The stimulation of Beta 1 by Isoproterenol results in ____________ by Beta 2, causing what effects?
Bronchodilation Increased SBP Increased CO Decreaesed MAP Decreased DBP Increased myocardial consumption (increased HR)
In what situations might Isoproterenol be used?
Cardiac Shock
Post-heart transplant to increase CO
Emergency situations to stimulate heart
What are the adverse effects of Isoproterenol?
- Tachycardia
- Ventricular Arrhythmias
- Systemic vasodilation–>decreased afterload & b/p, flushing
- Hypoglycemia d/t blunting the B2 receptor
Name the 2 drugs that are both vasopressors and inotropes.
Dopamine
Epinephrine
Dopamine directly stimulates what receptors?
Dopaminergic
Beta
Alpha 1
Dopamine is a metabolic precursor which indirectly causes the release of ________ _________
Endogenous Norepinephrine
True/False: Dopamine has dose-dependent effects
True
Low dose Dopamine 2-5 mcg has what effect?
So what might you see?
Dopaminergic (D1 & D2 receptors)
see increased renal perfusion; vasodilation of vascular beds: renal, mesenteric, coronary
The Beta 1 effects of Dopamine do what at what dosing?
Increase contractility & HR
At moderate dosing 5-10 mcg/kg/min
The Alpha 1 effects of Dopamine do what at what dosing?
Vasoconstriction–>increased SVR & b/p
>10mcg/kg/min
Clearance of Dopamine is prolonged in what 2 situations?
Renal and Hepatic dysfunction
What is the first-line agent for shock, hypoperfusion & hypotension?
Why?
Dopamine
Increases CO, B/P, peripheral perfusion, possibly U.O.
What are some infant-specific issues r/t Dopamine?
- May be less effective as Inotorope <6 mos
- Vasoconstriction may occur at lower doses
- Primary vasoconstriction vs effect on contractility (may have decreased perfusion to some organs)
True/false: with Dopamine use it’s possible to get more Alpha effect when you thought you were getting more Beta effect.
True:
May see better b/p’s at a cost to other organs
What are the adverse effects of Dopamine?
Tachycardia, hypertension, arrhythmias
Decreased peripheral perfusion w/high doses
IV infiltration: vasoconstriction, ischemia, necrosis, tissue shoughing
With Dopamine infiltration what med is used to prevent further damage and block further Alpha effects?
How must it be given?
Phentolamine
Central line (no UAC)
Epinephrine stimulates what receptors?
Alpha 1, Beta 1, Beta 2
receptor-mediated
At low doses of Epinephrine, what receptors are effected?
So what is seen?
Beta 1 & 2
Increased HR & Contractility;
Decreased SVR, Bronchodilation
At high doses of Epinephrine, what receptors are affected?
So what is seen?
Alpha 1
Increased SVR, MAP & myocardial oxygen demand
Epinephrine is used for what 3 things?
Cardiac arrest
Bradycardia
Hypotension
What are the adverse effects of Epinephrine?
Arrhythmias & Hypertension
Decreased peripheral, renal and gut perfusion
Hyperglycemia
IV infiltration: vasoconstriction, ischemia, necrosis, tissue sloughing
If you have an IV infiltrate of Epinephrine, what medication is used?
How must it be given?
Phentolamine
Given via central line (not UAC)
What is important to know about Epinephrine’s sensitivity and it’s expiration?
It is photosensitive (light sensitive)
Cover & expires in 3 days
What is the T2 of Epinephrine?
Just a few minutes
Epinehprine for cardiac resuscitation can be given in what 3 ways?
IV, IO, ETT
Milrinone is an inotrope and also a __________. It can be used in 2 different ways “ino-dilator”
Vasodilator
So- if using for inotropic effects, don’t forget at high doses–>see decreased b/p in periphery
How does Milrinone cause vasodilation?
Causes Ca++influx into the cells–> Vasodilation in the lungs (helps w/PPHN)
What is the mechanism of action of Nitroprusside?
It is converted to Nitric Oxide
Name the Vasodilator meds. (7 of them)
Milrinone Nitroprusside Nitroglycerine iNO ACE Inhibitors Angiotensin II blockers (ARB's) Hydralazine
Nitroprusside is a mixed ______-_______ vasodilator.
It has the following functions (4).
Mixed aterial-venous
- Decreased vascular resistance
- Increases CO
- Decreases preload and afterload
- Dilates coronary vasculature
When is Nitroprusside used?
Hypertensive crisis
Afterload reduction in refractory CHF
ECMO
What kind of toxicity can you have with Nitroprusside?
When might you suspect this?
Cyanide toxicity
Sudden tachyphylaxis and the drug is NOT working (increased SVO2 sats, metabolic acidosis–cyanide increases Lactate production)
What are the adverse effects of Nitroprusside?
Profound hypotension
Thyroid suppression
Does Nitroprusside work fast?
Yes, very fast & short duration of action
When might you have increased risk of cyanide toxicity?
Renal or Hepatic dysfunction of if the infusion is used a long time (should only be temporarily used)
What is the antedote for Cyanide posioning?
Sodium Thio-Sulfate–produces the metabolite cyanite (less toxic and able to be eliminated by the kidneys)
How does Nitroglycerin work
Nitrate–>NO–>vascular smooth muschle relaxation
What is the hemodynamic effect of Nitroglycerin?
- Dilate large veins–>pooling of blood/decreased preload
- Dilate coronary vasculature
- Decreased myocardial O2 consumption
True/False: Nitroglycerin can be used topically to increase perfusion to ischemic tissue
True
When is Nitroglycerin infusion used?
Low CO syndrome after cardiac surgery
Does Nitroglycerin have more effect on veins or arteries?
VEINS
What are the adverse reactions/side effects of Nitroglycerin?
Hypotension and reflux Tachycardia
Headache/flushing
Unwanted hypotension when used topically
What should the RN/NNP do if applying topical Nitroglycerine to a pt?
Wear gloves! It can affect the person applying it too.
iNO is a ________ ____________ drug used in what condition?
Pulmonary vasodilator
PPHN
What is the MOA of ACE inhibitors?
Blocks the conversion of Angiotensin I to Angiogensin II (blocks systemic vasoconstriction)
What are the hemodynamic effects of ACE inhibitors?
Decreases preload and afterload
Increases CO
In what situations might an ACE inhibitor be used?
Hypertension
Afterload reduction in CHF
Neonatal renovascular HTN
Valvular Regurgitation
If Angiotension II is produced, what is the result?
Increased Afterload and Aldosterone Secretion–>Increased Na+ & H2O retention–>Increased preload
Name the ACE inhibitors mentioned in lecture (1 is PO, 1 IV)
Enalapril (PO)–prodrug hydrolyzes to active
enalaprilat
Enalaprilat (IV)
With Enalapril and Enalaprilat is the dosing equivalent when switching modes?
NO
Watch mcg/mg!!!
It is a compound suspension
Is captopril used frequently in NICU?
Does it have a shorter or longer T2 than enalapril? So,what might be seen?
Is it compounded?
NO
Shorter
Might see more b/p swings
Yes
What are the adverse effects of ACE inhibitors? (6)
- Dry cough
- Maculopapular rash
- Hypotension
- Hyperkalemia
- Renal complications in pts w/renal aftery stenosis
- Teratogenic
How so Angio II receptor blockers (ARB’s) work?
Are they used frequently in NICU?
Blockade of Angiotension I receptors
No
Hydralazine is a direct ___________
It primarily affects ________
Vasodilator
Arteries
When is Hydralazine used in NICU?
Can it be used PRN?
Is it available IV & PO?
Initially for HTN control
Yes–not long-term, will change to another drug
Yes
Name the Anti-Arrhythmics. (3)
Beta-Blockers
Na+ Blockers
Other (Adenosine)
What is the MOA of beta-blockers?
Blocks Epinephrine and Norepinephrine at Beta receptors–>Decreased: HR, CO, Contractility
What are the adverse effects of Beta-blockers?
Bronchospasm (Beta 2 blockade)
Bradycardia (Beta 1 blockade)
Hypoglycemia (Beta 2 blockade)
True/False: there are Selective Beta blockers and non-selective Beta blockers?
True
Beta 1 selective (cardio-selective)** with max doses can see B2 effects**
Non-selective (broad spectrum B1 & B2)
Beta blockers have Intrinsic ____________ activity
sympathomimetic (ISA for short)
What is ISA activity?
- Small but significant Beta agonist effect (so get B blocker but also a little B agonist effect).
- Good Antihypertension effects
- Reduced side-effects (bradycardia)
True/False: Some Beta-blockers have Alpha adrenergic blocking activity
True
Name the Beta-blockers used in NICU
Propranalol
Esmolol
Propranalol is a selective/non-selective beta blocker?
Non-selective (B1 & B2)
What effects does Propranalol cause?
- Decreased HR, myocardial contractility, B/P, & myocardial O2 demand
- Negative Inotrope and Chronotrope
What is Propranalol used for? (7 things)
- Hypertension
- A fib
- SVT
- V tachycardia
- TOF cyanotic spells
- Neonatal thryotoxicosis
- Hemangiomas
What are the adverse effects of propranalol? (3)
- Hypoglycemia (usually seen 1st dose)
- Hypotension and Bradycardia
- Bronchospasm (non-specific B activity)
Can you suddenly stop Propranalol?
No, gradual taper needed
Esmolol is given via ___________ _____.
Continuous Drip
Esmolol is used in what pts (though infrequently in NICU)
Post-op Cardiac Pts
Name the 3 Na+ channel blockers in NICU
Procainamide
Propafenone
Flecainide
Procainamide works by?
Depressing myocardial contractility by increasing electrical stimulation threashold of the ventricle (making the heart less excitable).
Procainamide what type of drug?
Class 1A Antiarrhythmic w/Anticholinergic and local anesthetic effects
When would you use reduced dosing?
Renal & Hepatic impairment
When is Procainamide used?
Ventricular arrhythmias
A Fib
SVT
What are s/e’s of Procainamide?
- Prolonged Q-T, A-V block, hypotension
- Agranulocytosis, hemolytic anemia, neutropenia, thrombocytompenia
What is important to monitor for when giving Procainamide?
Drug interactions (additive Q-T prolongation)
How is Procainamide metabolized?
By acetylation in the liver–>N-acetyl procainamide (NAPA, an active metabolite)
The half-life of Procainamide is dependent on?
Liver acetylator hpenotype, cardiac fxn, renal fxn (NAPA)
How is Procainamide excreted?
Urine
How is Procainamide monitored?
Procainamide levels in the blood
N-Acetyl procainamide (NAPA) levels
Propafernone is a class _____ antiarrhythmic agent
1C
How does Propafenone work?
- Blocks the fast inward Na+ current
- Slows the rate of increase of action potential
- Prolongs conduction and refractoriness
When might Propafenone be used?
PO option for paroxysmal SVT
How is the dosing of Propafeneone different from typical meds?
Dosed in meters squared, so must calculate it.
Is propafenone compounded?
yes
What are the s/e’s of Propafenone?
Prolonged QT interval (proarrhythmic)
Bradycardia, Hypotension
What is important to monitor when giving Propafenone?
Drug interactions (cummulative QT prolongation)
What type of pharmacokinetics is a/w Propafenone?
Nonlinear (d/t saturable kinetics profile)
-so might bump up dose a little and get 10-fold effect
Is Flecainide the 1st line drug for SVT’s?
No, but has been used when other meds failed
Flecainide is metabolized by?
Excreted unchanged in?
Can you measure serum levels?
Liver
Urine
Yes
True/False: there are reports of decreased absorption of Flecainide w/dairy milk/infant formula feeds.
True
Must Flecainide be compounded?
Is there an IV form?
yes
Not availble in U.S.
What is the s/e of Flecainide?
proarrhythmic
Adenosine works on what receptor?
Which is linked to what channels via the G-protein system?
A1 (Adenosine receptor)
linked to K+ channels
What does Adenosine do?
- Slows conduction time/re-entry pathwyas through A-V node
- Restores normal rhythm
In what situations is Adenosine used?
Sustained paroxysmal SVT after no self-resolution & vagal maneuvers have been tried
What is the T2 of Adenosine?
So give slow/fast?
1-5 seconds (<10 for sure)
Fast 1-2 seconds in line closest to heart, immediately flush with NS
When monitoring baby getting Adenosine, what might bee seen briefly?
“flat line” when heart re-sets
Name the Ca+ channel blocker meds used or hypertension. (2)
- Amlodipine
2. Nicardipine
True/False: Amlodipine is compounded?
True
Amlodipine is dosed either _____ or ___ x’s / day
1 or 2
Is Amlodipine used often?
No, mainly in Renal pts.
Nicardipine inhibits entry of Ca++ into the cardiac and smooth muscle causing:
Relaxation of coronary and vascular smooth muscle
Vasodilitation of coronary arteries (increases myocardial O2 delivery)
When is Nicardipine used?
Hypertension
Arrhythmias
What are the s/e’s of Nicardipine?
Flushing, Vasodilation, Palpitations, Hypotension, Headache
Nicardipine is incompatibile w/what typical NICU meds?
Ampicillin
Cefepime
Furosemide
Are drug interactions typical w/Nicardipine?
Yes, so check
Like Propafenone, Nicardipine has what type of pharmacokinetics?
Saturable, (non-linear metabolism) so the longer the pt is on it, the longer the effect
Name the Alpha 2 receptor Agonist
Clonidine
Clonidine stimulates what receptors?
Central Alpha 2 receptors (feedback mechanism receptor)
Clonidine is used for?
Centrally mediated HTN
Adjunct in NAS (can also help w/increased b/p in these pts)
Can you abruptly stop Clonidine?
No, taper slowly to avoid rebound HTN
Diuretics are used frequently in post-op period in what pts?
Why?
CHF
Decrease pulmonary edema
Maintain euvolemic state
Anti-hypertensive
What are the 4 main classes of diuretics?
Loop (most common)
Thiazide
K+ sparing
Carbonic anhydrase inhibitors
Thiazides and K+ -sparing diuretics act mainly where in the kidney?
Cortex of the kidney
Loop diuretics act mainly where in the kidney?
Medulla
Thiazides work by?
Inhibiting active exchange of Cl- & Na+ in cortical dilating segment of the ascending loop of Henle
K+ sparing work by?
Inhibiting reabsorption of Na in the distal convoluted tubule and collecting duct
Loop diuretics work by?
Inhibiting exchange of Cl-/Na+/K+ in the thick segment of the ascending loop of Henle
Name the 2 most common Loop diuretics
Furosemide (lasix)
Bumetanide (Bumex)
How much Na is reabsorbed int he ascending limb of the loop of henle w/Loop diuretics?
25-35%
IV furosemide is ___ x’s as potent as IV dose
2 x’s
Adverse effects of Loop diuretics?
1: Hypokalemia
- Hypomagnesemia
- Hypocalcemia (bad for bones)
- Hyperuricemia
- Nephrocalcinosis
- Ototoxicity
- Long-term: Osteopenia
Name 2 Thiazide diuretics
- Hydrochlorothiazide
2. Chlorothiazide
Thiazides act in the distal tubule to decrease reabsorption of?
Na+
Thiazides have loose efficacy in what pts?
Renal dysfunction
Thiazides might be used with what other type to obtain synergisitc diuretic effect?
Loop Diuretics
Thiazides are typically used in neonates to decrease the risk of?
Nephrocalcinosis and Osteopenia seen w/Loop Diuretics
What are the adverse effects of Thiazides?
Hypokalemia Hypomagnesemia Hypercalcemia Hyperglycemia -Reduced vascular resistance due to both blood volume reduction & relaxation of smooth muscle arterioles
Which Thiazide is expensive?
Chlorothiazide
Name a K+ sparing Diuretic
Spironolactone
How does Spironolactone work?
- Aldosterone antagonist
- Competes w/receptor sites in distal renal tubules
- Increasing Na+ & H2O excretion while preserving K+
Are K+ sparing diuretics potent?
What might they be used with?
No
Might be used w/other diuretics to prevent excretion of K+
What are the adverse effects of K+ sparing diuretics?
GI upset/nausea
Hyperkalemia
Lethargy
Are K+ sparing diuretics compounded? Name?
Yes, Aldactazide
is Aldactone & Hydrochlorothiazide in equal amounts