Barbs Flashcards
What is more potent, a long branched chain or a straight chain?
Levo-isomers or dextro-isomers?
Long branched chain is more potent
Levo-isomers are twice as potent as dextro-isomers
‘Sodium something’ has a pKa of 3.8. Will this drug be more than 50% or less than 50% ionized at physiological ph?
Sodium is a positive molecule, so we can assume this is a weak acid (acids unite with positive ions).
A weak acid with a pKa of 3.8 at physiological pH means that we have fewer hydrogen ions than at equilibrium.
The ionized form will dominate.
Methohexital dose
1-2 mg/kg IV (induction)
20-30mg/kg in peds
base or acid?
opioids
barbs
benzos
ketamine
propofol
local anesthetics
opioid = weak base
barbs = alkaline in the bottle, acid at physiologic pH
benzos = bases
ketamine = base
propofol = acid
local anesthetics = base
Methyl radical on a barbiurates imparts what activity (methohexital)
CONVULSANT activity
which patients are at higher risk of allergic rxn
atopic patients (astmathics)
Barbiturates with __ at carbon #__ increases hypnotic activity
Barbiturates with __ at carbon #_ increases anticonvulsant activity
Having a _ increases convulsant activity
Branched chain at carbon #5 increases HYPNOTIC activity
Phenyl group at carbon#5 increases ANTICONVULSANT activity (phenobarbital)
Methyl radical increases convulsant activity (methohexital)
barbs
inadequate dosages (subtherapeutic) effects
- stage 2 like response to airway manipulation (high risk of laryngospasm and bronchospasm)
- paradoxical excitement
Barbiturates are ____ (acidic/alkaline) drugs, but when prepared in ____ solution, they are weak ___
They are acidic drugs
Prepared in highly alkaline solution (bacteriostatic)
Actually are weak acids, not bases
Other side effects not mentioned yet of barbs?
- Venous thrombosis
- Crosses placenta
- N/V
- Accelerated production of heme
- by stimulation of an enzyme, D-aminolevulinic acid synthetase
- caution in porphyria
Why is tolerance an issue with barbs?
As good enzyme inducers, they metabolize themselves well, tolerance builds, they need more drug for more effect,
Barbiturate MOA?
Decreases rate that GABA dissociates from receptor (increases duration of GABA), Cl channel opens
decreased postsynaptic sensitive to Ach, some muscle relaxation
Mimics GABA at receptor → DIRECTLY
Decreases trasmission in the sympathetic ganglia leading to hypotension
Depresses RAS -> sleep
Barbs
intra-arterial injection treatment
- dilute with NS
- phenoxybenzamine (direct acting alpha blocker)
- prevent thrombosis: heparin, urokinase
- brachial plexus or stellate ganglion block
- Papaverine (opium derivative -> vasodilator) 40-80 mg in 10-20 ml NS
- Lidocaine 1% 5-10 ml
Will induction be faster or slower when administering Thiopental to an acidotic patient?
Alkalotic?
Thiopental is an acidic drug with a pKa of 7.6
If the patient is acidotic, lower pH, means there are more Hydrogen ions available. With more ions available, the non-ionized form dominates and induction is FASTER!
If the patient is alkalotic, a higher pH, there are fewer Hydrogen ions available. With fewer ions available, the ionized form dominates and the induction is SLOWER!
All barbiturates are derived from what?
Barbituric acid urea and malonic acid
‘Something Sulfate’ has a pKa of 4.5, will this drug be more than 50% or less than 50% non-ionized at physiological pH?
Sulfate is a negative molecule, so we can assume this is a weak base (bases unite with negative ions).
A weak base with a pKa of 4.5 at physiological pH (above the pKa) means that we have fewer Hydrogen ions (more alkalotic) than at equilibrium.
The non-ionized form will dominate.
Induction of GA dosages for TPL and methohexital?
- TPL 3-5 mg/kg IV (dec dose for elderly and first trimester pregnancy, inc dose for kids)
- Methohexital 1-2 mg/kg IV or 20-30 mg/kg po in peds
Duration 5-8 min (that’s when it redistributes)
most potent hepatic enzyme inducer of the barbs
phenobarbital
Barbiturate respiratory effects?
- Depression of medullary and pontine ventilatory centers
- decrease response to hypoxia and hypercapnia
- APNEA
- Incomplete depression laryngeal and cough reflexes (laryngospasm, bronchospasm)
Drugs to avoid giving people with porphyria?
- Sulfonamide
- Etomidate
- Nifedipine
- Diazepam
- Phenytoin
- Barbs
- Alcohol
- Ketorolac
SEND Phil BAK (he’s unsafe)
Drugs safe in porphyria
- Opioid analgesics
- Narcan
- Propofol
- Ketamine (probably safe)
- Nitrous
- Succs
- Pancuronium
- Neostigmine
- Atropine
- Glycopyrolate
- Aspirin
- Acetaminophen
- Penicillin
- Glucocoticoids
- Insulin
Barbiturate pharmacokinetics?
Rapid onset
Redistribution is rapid, terminates effect
Extensive metabolism
Highly protein bound
Ionization of TPL: pK is 7.6
Methohexital contraindications
hx of seizures
pregnancy
porphyria
asthma
LR (it precipitates)
phenobarbital DOA
4-10 hrs
As a hepatic inducer, barbiturates increase metabolism of what drugs?
- Oral anticoagulants
- Phenytoin
- TCAs
- Corticosteroids
- Vit K
- Muscle relaxants? Look up.
phenobarbital onset
5 min IV
20-30 min PO
What happens if barbs are given intra-arterially?
IMMEDIATE, intense vasoconstriction and pain
Mechanism: crystalline precipitation in artery, inflammatory response, vasoconstriction, microembolization (loss of limb is possible!)
Barbiturates
S.E.: myoclonus, hiccups, seizures
Methohexital
Oxybarbiturates
- have a __ at carbon #___
- has what metabolism?
Thiobarbiturate
- has a ____ at carbon #___
- has what metabolism?
- Oxy: O2 at carbon #2
- hepatic metabolism only
- Thio: Sulfur at carbon #2
- hepatic and extra hepatic (GI) metabolism
phenobarbital peak
30 min with IV
What is porphyrin a precursor to?
Heme
which is a component of
- hemoglobin
- myoglobin
- catalase
- peroxidase
- respiratory and P450 liver cytochromes
Are barbiturates hepatic enzyme inducers?
YES, phenobarb is the most potent inducer
methohexitol side effects
- induces seizures
- excitatory skeletal muscle effects (myoclonus)
- hiccups
- laryngospasm
- cough
- vasodilation, reflex tachycardia
- decreased CBF, ICP, CMRO2, isoelectric EEG
- histamine release (vasodilation, decreased BP, elevated HR)
- dose dependent resp depression
- decreased thershold for pain (antialgesia)
- CYP450 inducer
Barbiturate CNS effects?
- Depress LOC
- Cerebral vasoconstriction, dec CBF, ICP, CMRO2, IOP
- Can produce isoelectric EEG (coma)
- Paradoxical excitement (sub-dose)
- anti-algesia: decreases pain threshold (small doses)
- Methohexital: myoclonus and hiccups
- Does NOT interfere with SSEP (somatosensory evoked potentials) monitoring
What is porphyria?
Attacks precipitated by events that decrease heme concentration (drugs, hormones, fasting, stress) Autosomal dominant, linked to chromosome 11
50% excreted unchanged in the urine
Phenobarbitol
phenytoin class
anticonvulsant
antiarrhythmic class 1B
Sulfuration increases what?
Sulfuration: fat soluble
As lipid solubility increases you get
- shorter duration
- more rapid onset
- increased potency
barb stimulate production of what enzyme?
D-aminolevulinic acid synthetase
can trigger prophyria
Barbs1
metabolism dependent on hepatic enzyme activity, not hepatic blood flow
Thiopental
Why is Thiopental stored in a very alkalotic solution?
Because, if Thiopental was stored in an acidic solution there would be more Hydrogen ions available and lead to a dominance of the non-ionized (protonated) form.
This is water insoluble and may form a precipitate.
things that barbs don’t do
barbs DO NOT
- take away EEG wave readings in ECT
- alter SSEP (somatosensory evoked potentials) like inhalational agents do
- cause muscle relaxation (you’ll need muscle relaxants)
- affect baroreceptors (you’ll get reflex tachy due to drop in BP)
- cause myocardial depression (it’s minimal, unless large doses are given, or SNS not intact, or hypovolemia)
Thiopental side effects
- direct vasodilation (depression of medullary vasomotor center and decreased SNS outflow from CNS), reflex tachycardia
- decreased CBF, ICP, CMRO2, isoelectric EEG
- histamine release (vasodilation, decreased BP, elevated HR)
- dose dependent resp depression
- decreased thershold for pain (antialgesia)
- CYP450 inducer
barbs
excreted in the urine and feces
Methohexital
barbs redistribution time frame
Fat: blood coefficient is 11:1 → fast redistribution from brain to inactive tisues (muscle, fat)
- brain receives 10% of total IV done in 30-40 sec
- fast uptake (VRG)
- over the next 5 min there is a decrease in brain concentrations
- 2nd uptake, primarily skeletal muscle (MG)
- decreased muscle mass = decrease the dose (elderly, trauma)
- after 30 min <10% of the initial dose is in the brain
- fat concetrantion rises for 30 min
barbs
drug that is used as an anticonvulsant
why?
Phenobarbital
has a phenyl group at carbon #5
barb with the lowest protein binding
Phenobarbitol 30%
E1/2t in TPL vs methohexital?
- Thiopental (TPL) 11.6h
- Prolonged in pregnancy due to increased protein binding
- Methohexital 3.9h
barbs
metabolism dependent on C.O. and blood flow
Methohexital
Phenobarbital side effects
- strongest CYP450 inducer of the barbs
- vasodilation with reflex tachycardia
- decreased CBF, ICP and CMRO2, isoelectric EEG
- dose dependent resp depression
- N/V
- bone marrow supression
- agranulocytosis
- thrombocytopenia
- megaloblastic anemia
- liver toxicity
- steven johnson syndrome
- ataxia
barbs
alkalinization of urine doesn’t favor excretion, it shifts it to a more ionized state
Phenobarbital
Barbiturate metabolism?
Side chain oxidation at carbon 5 to carboxylic acid terminates pharmacologic activity
Desulfuration, hydrolysis opens ring to water soluble compounds
Renal excretion
Thiopental dose
3-5 mg/kg IV (induction dose)
5-6 mg/kg IV peds
7-8 mg/kg IV infants
increase dose in peds
decrease it in elderly and 1st trimester pregnacy
Barbiturate CV effects?
- Depression of medullary vasomotor center and decreased SNS outflow
- peripheral vasodilation (dec afterload), dec preload Dec SBP -> compensatory HR increase
- baroreceptors remain intact
- Minimal myocardial depression (more depression if SNS not intact, hypovolemia, or large doses)
- Histamine release with rapid IV admin (more hypotension)
phenobarbital metabolism
50-60% unchanged in the urine
CYP450 hydroxylation and conjugation
phenobarbital E1/2t
54-107 hrs
Phenobarbital status epilepticus dose
10-20 mg/kg loading
5mg/kg Q 15-30 min until seizure is controlled
max dose 30mg/kg
S/S of porphyria attack?
Severe abd pain, diarrhea, vomiting, ANS instability (tachycardia, HTN), electrolyte disturbances, seizure, resp failure, skeletal muscle weakness, neuropsychiatric disturbances
Barbs interactions?
- Opioids
- alfentanil
- sufentanil
- catecholemines
- NMBs
- pancuronium
- vecuronium
- atracurium
- midazolam (these are acidic)
- LR solution is too acidic (precipitates)
thiopental and pregnancy
prolonged elimination 1/2 t due to increased protein binding
N/V of barbs compared to other classes of drugs
Higher incidence than Midazolam and Propofol
Lower incidence than Etomidate, Ketamine and volatile agents