Valuation - Basic

Question 1

What are the 3 major valuation methodologies?

Answer 1

Comparable Companies, Precedent Transactions, Discounted Cash Flow Analysis.

Question 2

Rank the 3 valuation methodologies from highest to lowest expected value.

Answer 2

Trick question - there is no ranking that always holds. In general, Precedent Transactions will be higher than Comparable Companies due to the Control Premium built into acquisitions.

Beyond that, a DCF could go either way and it’s best to say that it’s more variable than other methodologies. Often it produces the highest value, but it can produce the lowest value as well depending on your assumptions.

Question 3

When would you not use a DCF in a Valuation?

Answer 3

You do not use a DCF if the company has unstable or unpredictable cash flows (tech or bio-tech startup) or when debt and working capital serve a fundamentally different role. For example, banks and financial institutions do not re-invest debt and working capital is a huge part of their Balance Sheets - so you wouldn’t use a DCF for such companies.

Question 4

What other Valuation methodologies are there?

Answer 4

Other methodologies include:

1. Liquidation Valuation - Valuing a company’s assets, assuming they are sold off and then subtracting liabilities to determine how much capital, if any, equity investors receive.
2. Replacement Value - Valuing a company based on the cost of replacing its assets.
3. LBO Analysis - Determining how much a PE firm could pay for a company to hit a “target” IRR, usually in the 20-25% range.
4. Sum of the Parts - Valuing each division of a company separately and adding them together at the end.
5. M&A Premium Analysis - Analyzing M&A deals and figuring out the premium that each buyer paid, and using this to establish what your company is worth.
6. Future Share Price Analysis - Projecting a company’s share price based on the P/E multiples of the public company comparables, then discounting it back to its present value.

Question 5

When would you use a Liquidation Valuation?

Answer 5

This is most common in bankruptcy scenarios and is used to see whether equity shareholders will receive any capital after the company’s debts have been paid off. It is often used to advise struffling businesses on whether it’s better to sell off assets separately or to try and sell the entire company.

Question 6

When would you use Sum of the Parts?

Answer 6

This is most often used when a company has completely different, unrelated divisions - a conglomerate like General Electric, for example.

If you have a plastics division, a TV and entertainment division, an energy division, a consumer financing division and a technology division, you should not use the same set of Comparable Companies and Precedent Transactions for the entire company.

Instead, you should use different sets for each division, value each one separately, and then add them together to get the Combined Value.

Question 7

When do you use an LBO Analysis as part of your Valuation?

Answer 7

Obviously you use this whenever you’re looking at a Leveraged Buyout - but it is also used to establish how much a private equity firm could pay, which is usually lower than what companies will pay.

It is often used to set a “floor” on a possible Valuation for the company you’re looking at.

Question 8

What are the most common multiples used in Valuation?

Answer 8

The most common multiples are:

1. EV / Revenue
2. EV / EBITDA
3. EV / EBIT
4. P/E (Share Price / Earnings per Share)
5. P/BV (Share Price / Book Value)

Question 9

Whare are some examples of industry-specific multiples: Technology (Internet)?

Answer 9

1. EV / Unique Visitors
2. EV / Pageviews

Technology should be straight forward you’re looking at traffic as a value driver rather than revenue or profit.

Question 10

What are some examples of industry-specific multiples: Retail/Airlines?

Answer 10

1. EV / EBITDAR (Earnings before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, Amortization, & Rent)

For Retail/Airlines, you often remove Rent b/c it is a major expense and one that varies significantly between different types of companies.

Question 11

What are some examples of industry-specific multiples: Enerygy?

Answer 11

1. P / MCFE
2. P/MCFE/D (MCFE = 1 Million Cubic Foot Equivalent, MCFE/D = MCFE per Day)
3. P/NAV (Share Price / Net Asset Value)

Energy should be straight forward, energy reserves as value drivers rather than revenue or profit.

Question 12

What are some examples of industry-specific multiples: Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs)?

Answer 12

1. Price / FFO (Funds from Operations)
2. Price / AFFO (Adjusted Funds from Operations)

For REITs, Funds From Operations is a common metric that adds back Depreciation and subtracts gains on the sale of the company. Depreciation is a non-cash yet extremely large expense in real estate, and gains on sales of properties are assumed to be non-recurring, so FFO is viewed as a “normalized” picture of the cash flow the REIT is generating.

Question 13

When you’re looking at an industry-specific multiple like EV/Scientist or EV/Subscribers, why do you use Enterprise Value rather than Equity Value?

Answer 13

You use Enterprise Value because those scientist or subscribers are “available” to all the investors (both debt and equity) in a company. The same logic doesn’t apply to everything, though - you need to think through the multiple and see which investors the particular metric is “available” to.

Question 14

Would an LBO or DCF give a higher valuation?

Answer 14

Technically it could go either way, but in most cases the LBO will give you a lower valuation.

With a DCF, by contrast, you’re taking into account both the company’s cash flows in between and its terminal value, so value tends to be higher.

Note: Unlike a DCF, an LBO model by itself does not give a specific valuation. Instead, you set a desired IRR and determine how much you could pay for the company (the valuation) based on that.

Question 15

How would you present these Valuation methodologies to a company or its investors?

Answer 15

Usually you use a “football field” chart where you show the valuation range implied by each methodology. You always show a range rather than one specific number.

Question 16

How would you value an apple tree?

Answer 16

The same way you would value a company: by looking at what comparable apple trees are worth (relative valuation) and the value of the apple tree’s cash flows (intrinsic valuation).

Yes, you could do a DCF for anything - eve an apple tree.

Question 17

Why can’t you use Equity Value / EBITDA as a multiple rather than Enterprise Value / EBITDA?

Answer 17

EBITDA is available to all investors in the company - rather than just equity holders. Similarly, Enterprise Value is also available to all shareholders so it makes sense to pair them together.

Equity Value / EBITDA, however, is comparing apple to oranges because Equity Value does not reflect the company’s entire capital structure - only the part available to equity investors.

Question 18

When would a Liquidation Valuation produce the highest value?

Answer 18

This is highly unusual, but it could happen if a company had substantial hard assets but the market was severly undervaluing it for a specific reason (such as an earnings miss or cyclicality).

Question 19

Let’s go back to 2004 and look at Facebook back when it had no profit and no revenue. How would you value it?

Answer 19

You would use Comparable Companies and Precedent Transactions and look at more “creative” multiples such as EV/Unique Visitors and EV/Pageviews rather than EV/Revenue or EV/EBITDA.

You would not use a “far in the future DCF” because you can’t reasonably predict cash flows for a company that is not even making money yet.

This is a very common wrong answer given by interviewees. When you can’t predict cash flow, use other metrics - don’t try to predict cash flow anyway!

Question 20

What would you use in conjuction with Free Cash Flow multiples - Equity Value or Enterprise Value?

Answer 20

Trick question: For Unleavered Free Cash Flow, you would use Enterprise Value, but for Levered Free Cash Flow you would use Equity Value.

Remember, Unlevered Free Cash Fow excludes Interest and thus represents money available to all investors, whereas Levered already includes Interest and the money is therefore only available to equity investors.

Debt investors have already “been paid” with the interest payments they received.

Question 21

You never use Equity Value / EBITDA, but are there any cases where you might use Equity Value / Revenue?

Answer 21

Never say never. It’s very rare to see this, but sometimes large financial institutions with big cash balances have negative Enterprise Values - so you might use Equity Value / Revenue instead.

You might see Equity Value / Revenue if you’ve listed a set of financial and non-financial companies on a slide, you’re showing Revenue multiples for the non-financial companies, and you want to show something similar for the financials.

Note, however, that in most cases you would be using other multiples such as P/E and P/BV with banks anyway.

Question 22

How do you select Comparable Companies / Precedent Transactions?

Answer 22

The 3 main ways to select companies and transactions:

1. Industry classification
2. Financial criteria (Revenue, EBITDA, etc.)
3. Geography

For Precedent Transactions, you often limit the set based on date and only look at transactions within the past 1-2 years.

The most important factor is industry - that is always used to screen for companies/transactions, and the rest may or may not be used depending on how specific you want to be.

Here are a few examples:

Comparable Company Screen: Oil & Gas producers with market caps over $5 billion.

Comparable Company Screen: Digital media companies with over $100 million in revenue.

Precedent Transaction Screen: Airline M&A transactions over the past 3 years involving sellers with over $1 billion in revenue.

Precedent Transaction Screen: Retail M&A transactions over the past year.

Question 23

How do you apply the 3 valuation methodologies to actually get a value for the company you’re looking at?

Answer 23

Sometimes this simple fact gets lost in discussion of Valuation methodologies. You take the median multiple of a set of companies or transactions, and then multiply it by the relevant metric from the company you’re valuing.

Example: If the median EBITDA multiple from your set of Precedent Transactions is 8x and your company’s EBITDA is $500 million, the implied Enterprise Value would by $4 billion.

To get the “football field” valuation graph you often see, you look at the minimum, maximum, 25th percentile and 75th percentile in each set as well and create a range of values based on each methodology.

Question 24

What do you actually use a valuation for?

Answer 24

Usually you use it in pitch books and in client presentations when you’re providing updates and telling them what they should expect for their own valuation.

It’s also used right before a deal closes in a Fairness Opinion, a document a bank creates that “proves” the value their client is paying or receiving is “fair” from a financial point of view.

Valuation can also be used to defense analyses, merger models, LBO models, DCFs (because terminal multiples are based off of comps), and pretty much anything else in finance.

Question 25

Why would a company with similar growth and profitability to its Comparable Companies by valued at a premium?

Answer 25

This could happen fro a number of reasons:

1. The company has just reported earnings well-above expectations and its stock price has risen recently.
2. It has some type of competitive advantage not reflected in its financials, such as a key patent or other intellectual property.
3. It has just won a favorable ruling in a major lawsuit.
4. It is the market leader in an industry and has greater market share than its competitors.

Question 26

What are the flaws with public company comparables?

Answer 26

1. No company is 100% comparable to another company.
2. The stock market is “emotional” - your multiples might be dramatically higher or lower on certain dates depending on the market’s movements.
3. Share prices for small companies with thinly-tradeed stocks may not reflect their full value.

Question 27

How do you take into account a company’s competitive advantage in a valuation?

Answer 27

1. Look at the 75th percentile or higher for the multiples rather than the Medians.
2. Add in a premium to some of the multiples.
3. Use more aggressive projections for the company.

In practice you rarely do all of the above - these are just possibilities.

Question 28

Do you ALWAYS use the median multiple of a set of public company comparables or precedent transactions?

Answer 28

There’s no “rule” that you have to do this, but in most cases you do because you want to use values from the middle range of the set. But if the company you’re valuing is distressed, is not performing well, or is at a competitive disadvantage, you might use the 25th percentile or something in the lower range instead - and vice cersa if it’s doing well.

Question 29

You mentioned that Precedent Transactions usually produce a higher value than Comparable Companies - can you think of a situation where this is not the case?

Answer 29

Sometimes this happens when there is a substantial mismatch between the M&A market and the public market. For example, no public companies have been acquired recently but there have been a lot of small private companies acquired at extremely low valuations.

For the most part this generalization is true but keep in mind that htere are exceptions to almost every “rule” in finance.

Question 30

What are some flaws with precedent transactions?

Answer 30

1. Past transactions are rarely 100% comparable - the transaction structure, size of the company, and market sentiment all have huge effects.
2. Data on precedent transactions is generally more difficult to find than it is for public company comparables, especially for acquisitions of small private companies.

Question 31

Two companies have the exact same financial profile and are bought by the same acquirer, but the EBITDA multiple for one transaction is twice the multiple of the other transaction - how could this happen?

Answer 31

Possible reasons:

1. One process was more competitive and had a lot more companies bidding on the traget.
2. One company had recent bad news or a depressed stock price so it was acquired at a discount.
3. They were in industries with different median multiples.

Question 32

Why does Warren Buffett prefer EBIT multiples to EBITDA multiples?

Answer 32

Warren Buffet once famously said, “Does management think the tooth fairy pays for capital expeditures?”

He dislikes EBITDA because it excludes the often sizable Capital Expeditures companies make and hides how much cash they are actually using to finance their operations.

In some industries there is also a large gap between EBIT and EBITDA - anything that is very capital-intensive, for example, will show a big disparity.

Question 33

The EV/EBIT, EV/EBITDA, and P/E multiples all measure a company’s profitability. What’s the difference between them, and when do you use each one?

Answer 33

P/E depends on the company’s capital structure whereas EV/EBIT and EV/EBITDA are capital structure-neutral. Therefore, you use P/E for banks, financial institutions, and other companies where interest payments/expenses are critical.

EV/EBIT includes Depreciation & Amortization whereas EV/EBITDA excludes it - you’re more likely to use EV/EBIT in industries where D&A is large and where capital expenditures and fixed assets are important (e.g. manufacturing), and EV/EBITDA in industries where fixed assets are less important and where D&A is comparatibely smaller (e.g. Internet companies).

Question 34

If you were buying a vending machine business, would you pay a higher multiple for a business where you owned the machines and they depreciated normally, or one in which you leased the machines? The costs of depreciation and lease are the same dollar amounts and everything else is held constant.

Answer 34

You would pay more for the one where you lease the machines. Enterprise Value would be the same for both companies, but with the depreciated situation the charge is not reflected in EBITDA - so EBITDA is higher, and the EV/EBITDA multiple is lower as a result. For the leased situation, the lease would show up in SG&A so it would be reflected in EBITDA, making EBITDA lower and the EV/EBITDA multiple higher.

Question 35

How do you value a private company?

Answer 35

You use the same methodologies as with public companies: public company comparables, precedent transactions, and DCF. But there are some differences:

1. You might apply a 10-15% (or more) discount to the public company comparable multiples because the private company you’re valuing is not as “liquid” as the public comps.
2. You can’t use a premiums analysis or future share price analysis because a private company doesn’t have a share price.
3. Your valuation shows the Enterprise Value for the company as opposed to the implied per-share price as with public companies.
4. A DCF gets tricky because a private company doesn’t have a market capitalization or Beta - you would probably just estimate WACC based on the public comps’ WACC rather than trying to calculate it.

Question 36

Let’s say we’re valuing a private company. Why might we discount the public company comparable multiples but not the precedent transaction multiples?

Answer 36

There’s no discount because with precedent transactions, you’re acquiring the entire company - and once it’s acquired, the share immediately become illiquid.

But shares - the abilitiy to buy individual “pieces” of a company rather than the whole thing - can be either liquid (if it’s public) or illiquid (if it’s private).

Since shares of public companies are always more liquid, you would discount public company comparable multiples to account for this.

Question 37

Can you use private companies as part of your valuation?

Answer 37

Only in the context of precedent transactions - it would make no sense to include them for public company comparables or as part of the Cost of Equity / WACC calculation in a DCF because they are not public and therefore have no values for market cap or Beta.