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What should the wise man avoid + focus on?

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Avoid physical pleasures + focus

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How does Seneca say women + men are equal?

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Both men + women are equal in capacity to attain virtue

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What does Seneca + his wife do daily?

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Seneca tells his wife about his day + she listens; showing how shes an accomplice + supporting of his virtue

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What is an ideal marriage?

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A bond of pure love + similar to friendship

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What does Seneca say about his wife?

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“For I know that her spirit depends on mine, I care for myself”

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When shouldn’t you love someone?

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For selfish, personal benefit

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How does Seneca show how much his wife is important to him?

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“To have someone I can die for, to have someone I can follow into exile for whose death I might exchange my own + pay the price instead”

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What does Seneca criticise?

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Those who marry for selfish reasons + commit adultery

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What does Seneca say about sex?

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Sex serves the purpose of procreation only

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What does Motto say Seneca does?

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He focuses on the regulation of emotions rather than their denial

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What is the quote about Seneca’s view on sex?

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“lust was given to humanity not for the sake of pleasure, but for the propagation of the human race”

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Who was hostios quadra?

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A man who knew no distinction of sex + set up the mirrors to gloat over proportions etc 🙉

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What did Seneca say love should remember?

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Friendship

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What is love?

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There is no personal advantage it’s about what you can give them rather than self-gain

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What does Seneca say about living for another?

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“You must live for another if you want to live for yourself

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What does Seneca say about desire?

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Desire should be avoided; longing of the body, not the soul + harms the Stoic

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What are vices?

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Immoral behaviour

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Who says Seneca focuses on regulation of emotions rather than their denial?

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Motto

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Why should vices be avoided?

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Overindulgence of desire leads to the ruining of the body

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What is Seneca’s quote about vices? Where does he say this?

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“Vices press upon us and surround us on all sides”
- ‘Seneca on the Shortness of life’

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What does Seneca say about drunkness?

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“Drunkness doesn’t create vices but brings them out”

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What is the example of Phaedra + desire?

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“She feels no concern for food or her health”
Loses her strength, grace + beauty bc of desire

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What does Seneca believe desire should be?

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Seneca believes desire should be nipped in the bud before they build into a ‘rushing stream’ + can’t be controlled

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What does Seneca say about homoerotic relationships?

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Homoerotic relationships are an indulgence of lust, there’s no hope of procreation

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What does Seneca not address/address about homosexuality?

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Doesn’t directly address homosexuality but possibly addresses Emperor Nero’s crossdressing

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What does Seneca say about crossdressing?

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“Does it not seem to you to be living against nature, those who change their clothes for women?”

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What does the e.g. of Hostios Quadra say about homosexuality?

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Desire can get out control + its greedy for both genders bc he can’t control his lust

28
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What does Seneca say in Letters to Morality about friendship?

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The wise man doesn’t need friends, but wants them

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What does Seneca say in letters to Morality about loving?

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“If you want to be loved, then love”

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What is the analogy Seneca uses for giving in to desire?

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When you give in to desire, you’re creating a new wound in your soul: the more you give in, the more infected your soul becomes

31
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What does Seneca say about desire in ‘Seneca on Anger’?

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Our faces are a key indicator of any ‘violent passion’ including desire

32
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Why does Seneca think desire should be controlled?

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So reason can rule

33
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What does Motto say about love?

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Seneca maintained that love is rational + should be practiced often

34
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What does Seneca recognise?

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The place of desire in the system because it’s needed for reproduction

35
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What helps keeps desire controlled?

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Reason and abstinence of alcohol

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What does Seneca say about animalism?

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Our mind is what sets us apart from animals - so engaging in pleasure is animalistic

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What would desire do if it was good?

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Place animals at the top of the hierarchy, then humans, then god

38
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What did Seneca say about slavery? Where did he say this?

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Was appalled that Romans call anyone slaves when they themselves are ‘slaves of their lust + gluttony’
~ On Benefits

39
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What was Seneca uncomfortable with?

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Uncomfortable w slavery bc they’re humans too

40
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What does Gloyn say?

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Amor is rational + under control yet affectus must be avoided

41
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Who says Seneca maintained that love is rational + should be practised often?

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Motto

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What is amor?

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Rational, love of the soul + intellect

43
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What is affectus?

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Irrational, love gone mad; the body

44
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Where does Seneca contradict?

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At 1 point accepts desire as another appetite that needs to be satisfied e.g. thirst/hunger
Elsewhere he disagrees

45
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What does Gloyn say Seneca aimed for?

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A settled balanced existence”

46
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What does Seneca say desire is?

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Condemns desire as a form of unnatural excess

47
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How do women take a rebellion against nature?

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Female sexuality esp when women take a penetrative role in sex, dressing like men + masculine roles

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What does Seneca say about Hostios Quadra (quote)?

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“His mirrors on every wall, so he could be the audience for his own outrageous crimes against nature”

49
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What does Seneca seem unconvinced by?

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Unconvinced by the fact that reason can master passion

50
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What couple does Seneca refer to in ‘On Marriage’?

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The couple were so passionately in love w each other that they’d only drink from a shared cup + the man wore his wife’s clothes in public

51
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What may “if you want to be loved, then love” reflect?

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Reflects stoic need for clear self control; initiating a relationship means you can have more control over guiding it

52
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What does Seneca say the wise man shouldn’t value?

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The wise man shouldn’t value anything external to himself, incl fam + friends
“He considers everything good to be bounded within himself”

53
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What does Gloyn say about stoicism?

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“Bc stoicism suggests that every human has an equal potential for virtue, there’s a sense of gender equality at the heart of the philosophy”

54
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What does Gloyn say Seneca wanted to build?

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Wanted to built lasting, not fleeting relationships

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