plato's lysis

Question 1

What does Socrates criticise Hippothales for?

Answer 1

Flattering Lysis too much + giving him too much praise

Question 2

What does Socrates do for Hippothales?

Answer 2

Socrates invites Hippothales to introduce him to Lysis so he can show him how to prop seduce a bf

Question 3

What does Lysis tell Socrates about his parents?

Answer 3

His parents love him but they prevent him from doing many things he wants

Question 4

What does Socratres tell Lysis he must do so his parents change their views?

Answer 4

He must become more knowledgeable + wise so his fellow Athenians will also value + trust him

Question 5

What does Socrates tell Lysis about his parents?

Answer 5

Lysis is a slave to his parents + the only way out is to gain greater knowledge

Question 6

What does Socrates show Hippothales?

Answer 6

He can seduce Lysis + other boys by diminishing his confidence until he believes he’s dependant on Socrates to gain knowledge he needs

Question 7

How does Socrates end his teaching to Hippothales (quote)?

Answer 7

“Cutting them down to size + putting them in their place, instead of swelling them up + spoiling them”

Question 8

What does Socrates suggest about love?

Answer 8

Creating love occurs through conversation, actions + thoughts; shared wisdom + gaining knowledge

Question 9

What does Socrates imply about love?

Answer 9

Friendship stems from lack + ppl will only desire/love someone who can be useful to them in some way

Question 10

Why might Plato be criticising this?

Answer 10

The friendships reviewed in the dialogue fail bc they rely on the dynamic of friends needing smth from each other

Question 11

What does Socrates suggest ppl should do?

Answer 11

Demean + undermine confidence of those you desire/love so that they’ll depend on you

Question 12

Why might Socrates’ suggestion not be the genuine idea he’s trying to get across?

Answer 12

Bc Hippothales, who loves Lysis, responds in horror

Question 13

What does Hobbs say about Lysis?

Answer 13

“Lysis may be Plato criticising the view of love that stems from a need or lack of smth”

Question 14

What are the 2 ruling influences within us?

Answer 14

‘Inborn desire for pleasures’
‘Acquired judgement which aims at the best (reason)’

Question 15

What are the 4 types of good madness?

Answer 15

Prophecy, dynastic curses, inspiration experiences by poets + eros

Question 16

What does divine mania (prophecy) do?

Answer 16

Is good bc it results in prophecies of the future

Question 17

What do dynastic curses do?

Answer 17

It sometimes inspires someone in that family to find a way to be rid of the curse

Question 18

What does divine inspiration sent to the poets do?

Answer 18

Good bc it inspires them to create good works

Question 19

What is the 4th madness, eros?

Answer 19

When a man sees beauty of earth + is reminded of the true Form of beauty
Regarded as mad bc he’s always looking up to the region of the Forms

Question 20

What are those who saw the most of the Forms capable of?

Answer 20

Recognising the potential or aspiration towards those truths in the earthy versions

Question 21

How does Socrates describe physical effects of eros? What is this caused by?

Answer 21

‘Sweating + high fever’
Swelling + sudden growth of the plumage + wings caused by taking in a sight of the beautiful

Question 22

How do the eromanos + erastes learn?

Answer 22

Eromanos (younger) learns the true forms through their erastes (older)
Erastes learns more through sharing knowledge

Question 23

What will happen if the lovers are guided by philosophical elements w them?

Answer 23

They’ll live blessed + harmonious lives on earth + their souls become winged when they die

Question 24

Who will be inferior to the philosophical lovers?

Answer 24

Lovers who pursue a life of honour instead of a life of wisdom
There will be times when the black horse takes over; when they die their souls will be wingless

Question 25

What is friendship w a non-lover?

Answer 25

Inferior bc you can only gain mortal benefit; not divine immortal
You can’t gain wings + see the Forms