Quotes Flashcards
In Republic : Someone who exercises love for the soul…
Plato
‘reveres and respects temperance and courage and magnanimity and wisdom’
‘‘The right kind of love is by nature the love of…
Plato
order and beauty and that has been moderated by philosophy, music and poetry’
Showing the danger of desire , Excessive indulgence can …
Plato
“drive one mad just as much as pain does”
Pausanias in Symposium talking of the difficulty finding the right partner in a homoerotic relationship
Plato
“there’s no telling how boys are going to turn out- whether their minds or their bodies will end up good or bad”
Artistophanes quotes on homosexuality in story of spheres combatting accusations of immorality against homosexuals.
Plato
“the best of their generation, both as boys and young men”
“they are naturally the bravest”
“it’s not out of shamelessness that they do this but because they are bold, brave and masculine”
Plato in Laws describing how the first homosexual relationships were unnatural…
Plato
“impelled by their slavery to pleasure
What does Diotima suggest in Symposium is superior about homosexual relationships..
Plato
homoerotic relationships produce ideas and virtue and that this bond is often stronger than the bond which leads to the production of children
Seneca in Letters on Morality talking of one immoral aspect of homosexuals…
Seneca
“Does it not seem to you to be living against nature, those who change their clothes for women’s?”
Seneca criticism regarding men who engage in passive sex with other men
Seneca
“although his sex ought to have rescued him from this abuse, will not even his age rescue him from it”
An inference we can make regarding Seneca’s views on homosexual relationships from Consolation to Helvia
Seneca
given Seneca’s statement that sex should only be indulged for the purposes of reproduction he wouldn’t have approved of male-male sex as it simply represented placing one’s desires over reason, something that was incompatible with a stoic way of life.
Loeb 31 Sappho’s vivid description of her sexual experiences with a female lover.
Sappho
“When I see you […] sweat pours over me and a tremor seizes me all over”
Loeb 24 provocatively describing her former lesbian relationships with other girls.
Sappho
“what we did when we were young, Many, beautiful things”
Sappho description of desire as a “…” conveying its power
Sappho
“bittersweet invincible creature”
Plato says how uncontrolled desire is ….
Plato
“compatible with violence and licentiousness”
Plato in Republic says how his state would control …
Plato
“our desires that distort our perception of good”
Seneca describes desire as a rushing stream and that if
“if reason succeeds, passions will not even begin”
Seneca describes lust in Phaedra as
“unholy passion for gain”
Seneca saw love as akin to
“friendship gone mad”
Seneca illustrates how destructive lust can be through which story
Saturn’s golden age being destroyed and all the world’s ills and suffering caused from that very lust in Phaedra
Seneca emphasis on reciprocity of emotions
“You must live for another, if you want to live for yourself”
Seneca anti pleasures and lust
“there is a dishonourable stain on those who throw themselves into gluttonous pleasures and lust”
Seneca Physical description of lust
“festering” like a wound
Seneca Romantic love has the effect of
“firing souls up into the desire for a beautiful object, not without the hope of mutual affection”
Seneca physical symptoms of desire
“the stings of lust which rips the soul apart”
Seneca story of physical symptoms of (unnatural) desire
Phaedra’s longing for Hippolytus is incredibly strong and is depicted physically deteriorating. Beauty has disappeared from her form, no concern for food.
Sappho Love is all consuming in 102 because
She can’t weave and has to call to her mother for help
Loeb 2 Sappho describes sex
through natural metaphors and lures Aphrodite to Lesbos due to the flora and roses.
Sappho Homeric references
Loeb 44- Wedding of Hec+And- but no foreboding of war
Loeb 17- Sappho appears to Hera just as Men+Ag did in Lesbos after Trojan war.
Loeb 16- Helen+Troy mentioned “Helen, most beautiful woman on earth abandoned her husband”- Homeric world but with added female agency
Sappho physical effects of desire
“Love shook my soul”
“A delicate fire burned underneath my soul”
“Soothed my soul which was burning with desire”
Men in her poetry
110 “Doorkeeper has size 22 feet”
31 Observer of her lover is a frustrating presence
Loeb 105C- “Like a hyacinth trodden by feet of Shepherd”
Women in Sappho
Flighty + changeable - Loeb 49 She loved Atthis, but no longer.
Loeb 131 Atthis used to love her but now loves another girl
Sex in Sappho’s poetry
Loeb 94- Use of smells and senses erotically, flowers, perfumes and garlands.
Loeb 105A- “sweet apple”
Loeb 105C- “Like a hyacinth trodden by feet of Shepherd”
Sappho Marriage
112 “Lucky bridegroom your marriage has worked out well for you”
110+111 Shows ritual of consummating the wedding. Jovial +fun atmosphere
94- Honestly I want to die- because she is unable to be with the girl she loves.
Ovid Part 1
“it’s not fair for armed men to battle with naked girls”
Ovid suggesting his audience may not be female
“Don’t deny your delights to loving men […] what do you lose? It’s all intact” - In male interest
“The crowd come to be taught, girls pretty and plain: and always the greater part are not so good”
Mocking of his audience suggesting that there must be other members of the audience who these jokes are aimed at.
“Don’t laugh like a mangy ass braying at the mill”
Ovid Importance of looking good
“Good wine comes from vines that are looked after”
“Conceal your faults and hide your body’s defects as best you may”
Ovid humour
“Don’t laugh like a mangy ass braying at the mill”
Joking about the girl who put her hair on backwards
“I’m not teaching girls from the caucasian hills”
Ovid art and artifice
“[Getting ready] makes for beauty but isn’t beautiful to watch”
Ovid as Praeceptor Amoris
“before my eyes, stood Venus herself and ordered me to teach you”
“inscribe on your trophies, Ovid was my master”
Ovid seeing love as a game
Begins in Part 1 “Only playful passions will be learnt from me”
End in Part 18 saying “The game is done: time to descend”
“It’s harmful for a girl not to know how to play: playing often brings love”
Ovid Anti- Augustan
Tells women to meet men to have affairs (against Julian Laws) at the temples synonymous with Augustus himself.
Mocks the rural farming life talking of how he prefers the more vibrant city lifestyle.
Ovid Instructions on behaviour
In Pt.5 he tells women how to behave according to their particular body types.
“Your voice is a better procuress than your looks”
“Laugh modestly”
Don’t get angry as anger makes the face red and ugly
