non-traumatic neurological complaints in the ED Flashcards
big question if you suspect a seizure
primary: without provocation-epliepsy
secondary: response to something
what does a post ictal state look like both in presentation and specifically with regards to chemistry panel
Disorientation, sleepy, amnesia, HA,
lactic acidosis (from the clonic muscle movements)
high PC02 metabolic acidosis
how long does a post ictal state last
Commonly lasts 30min-1hr – LOC gradually improves
grand mal seizures have been replaced by
generalized seizures
tell the store of a generalized convulsive seizure
the person experiences LOC
tonic movement followed by clonic
resolves spontaneously with post ictal state
rhythmic jerking of seizure pt
clonic phase
if they bit down they can
swallow it and swallow
what can you see that would point to a generalized seizure in a pt that has loc
stigmata of a seizure
urinary incontinence and tongue biting
generalized non-convulsant seizures
aka absense
like daydreaming
lasts seconds
formerly petit mal
simple partial seizure is now known as
focal aware seizure
three things key in focal aware seizure
awareness consciouness and memory preserved
sxs of focal aware seizures
Awareness, memory, consciousness is preserved
Uncontrolled movement, visual, auditory sx, autonomic sx’s
focal impaired awareness seizures aka
used to be a complex partial
focal impaired awareness
déjà vu,
jamais vu (You are in your house but you don’t know where you are; the familiar becomes the unfamiliar), sounds,
smell (“who is smoking a cigar right now? Nobody, we are in church”),
taste,
numbness,
automatisms,
fear/panic
Partial what is this and what are the 2 types
Limited area of brain
Sx’s match area affected
simple and complex or focal imparied and focal aware
Status Epilepticus
Seizure activity lasting > 5min
or repetitive seizures without CLEARING of mental state in between
what is the probelm with seizing for more than 5 minutes
Seizures >5min are unlikely to spontaneously resolve
Often result of secondary cause, so start looking… with status epilepticus
Electrolytes (especially: glucose (hypoglycemic), sodium, magnesium (hypomagnesemic))
Intracranial bleed, trauma
Tox, OD-until it is eliminated will not stop
status epilepticus tx
ABORT seizure before neuronal injury occurs
Benzodiazepines FIRST
THEN 2nd or 3rd line drugs (Dilantin, Phenobarb, etc)
these people are often intubated because they are not breathing
concerns with paralyzing someone
need to for intubation but can’t tell if your pt is still seizing
Most common cause of seizures in EDMost common cause of seizures in ED
Out of meds? Most common cause of seizures in ED
Hx of a seizure
have you ever had this before
if you have epilepsy is the pattern changing?
Trauma Hx?
people that see fall with abandon
Substances used?
recent illness?
LMP?
Country of origin
seizure after trauma
concern for internal bleeding in the brian
why are we worried about substance abuse with seizing
lack of alcohol can cause seizing
if you are too sick to get alcohol you need to know
why are we asking lmp in a female pt
do not want to miss pre eclampsia
PE with seizure
Post-ictal or still seizing?
ABCDE’s first
VS should improve with recovery
Tongue trauma, urinary incontinence
AND head to toe exam
what is the head to toe exam in a pt with a seizure
- Trauma
- Neuro deficit
- Infection
- Evidence other Dz
- Stigmata of EtOH
- Toxidrome
Red flags in a seizure
First seizure: Why??
Head trauma: Bleed, ICP
VS not resolving: Why??
Alcohol withdrawal (these folks are SICK – ICU admit)
Fever, infection: Need LP? Shock?
Rash: Meningitis?
Vomiting: Airway disaster, aspiration risk
Electrolytes: Which ones? Mg,
Stimulants: Bleed? CVA?
Prolonged post-ictal state: Why?
Focal neuro deficit: CVA, bleed?
Travel/Endemic area?
Neurocystercercosis
Malignancy: Mets to brain? – Often present with a first time seizure
Renal/liver Dz: Uremic or encephalopathic??
HIV: Toxo-, histo-, infection
Coumadin/Plavix: Bleed?
Pregnancy: Eclampsia
Head trauma with seizure concerns
: Bleed, ICP
Fever, infection:
LP
meningitis
if vomiting we are worried about
airway
Travel/Endemic area couplex with first seizure worry about
• Neurocystercercosis
- If history of seizures workup labs
a. D-stick on all, upreg
b. Observe, reassess
c. Safety: bedrails, etc
d. Measure drug levels
e. Alcohol, tox screen
f. Chem for electrolytes
ii. Sz causes lactic acidosis
Creatinine Kinase (CK) if prolonged down-time –> looking for rhabdomyolysis
Chem for electrolytes in a seizure where the pt has a history of seizure
If cause not obvious
- If first seizure
D-stick on all, upreg
If sz stops, pt now normal, and there is no obvious cause:
Chem panel
Magnesium, phosphorus if EtOH
EtOH, U tox
Coumadin? PT/INR
HIV test
Consider Head CT non-con
Add lumbar puncture only if fever, suspect SAH, encephalitis, etc
EEG: on admission or as outpt
what drug levels would we measure in a pt with a hx of a seizures
Dilantin, Carbamazepine, Valproic acid, Phenobarb
ii. Not: Keppra, Lamictal, etc
when would you be worried about rhabdomyolosis
why?
what would you order?
Creatinine Kinase (CK) if prolonged down-time
what would you do for a actively seizing pt
Protect pt, abort the seizure with meds
order lorazepam diazepam
When stop: suction oral blood/secretions, O2, time the event
Recheck d-stick, re-examine, cardiac monitor
what is the abortive treatment
Abortive Tx 1st line: Benzodiazepines – know 3
Lorazepam (2mg IM/IV)
Midazolam (2-5mg IM/IV),
Diazepam (5mg IV)
New Sz, now well and no Red Flags?
New Sz, now well and no Red Flags? Neurology consult to initiate EEG, tx and follow up.
etiology of febrile seizures
Rapid rise in temperature, not the number itself
Risks: hx same, family hx
want this on all children with a febrile seizure
D stick
• Search for source of fever or occult infection in children would involve getting a
CBC, Chem, UA, CXR
Blood and +/- stool culture
when would you get a CT or a LP in a kid with a seizure
No CT.
No LP if dx clear and kid looks great
When would you get a LP on a kid with seizures
when would you get a LP on a adult with seizures
recent anbx use –>LP
you’re missing whatever bug it is
kid look sick
Add lumbar puncture only if fever, suspect SAH, encephalitis, etc
if RBC are in CSF–> SAH
febrile seizure tx
for the most part febrile seizure are partial or generalized?
NOT MEDS
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they are generalized
5 essential questions for syncope
- Ever had this before? What was the Dx?
- Really lose consciousness? Fall? Hurt yourself?
- What were you doing? Last thing you remember?
- Sick lately? Upset? EtOH, drugs?
- PMHx, Meds, Fam Hx, Soc Hx
Pseudoseizure
Psych, emotional distress • Atypical movements • Brief post-ictal period this is where you can tell • Good Soc Hx • Refer to psych, EEG outpt
say “it’s a little inconsistent with a generalized seizure post ictal”
over the age of __ we are worried about syncope
> 50yrs
how does syncope look like seizure
brief clonic activity is a thing
syncope and cardiac issues might be suspected if
Syncope w/ exertion (critical aortic stenosis) or when supine – think cardiac
Red flag hx with syncope (7)
before/after event
a. Chest pain
b. Palpitations
c. Headache
d. SOB
e. Abd pain
f. Back pain (aortic dissection)
g. Bleeding (coumadin)
have you been recently hospitalized
melena
pace maker?
important recent social/family hx as it pertains to syncope
Recent hospitalization, surgery, procedure
Fam Hx of sudden death (Thoracic aortic Dissection, PE, cardiac arrhythmias)
abnormal sxs after syncope that are of concern
Abnormal VS
• Hypotension
• Tachy-, bradycardia
• Fever
Diaphoresis • Confusion, focal deficit • Cardiac murmur • Rales, wheeze, edema • Melena (GI bleed) • Head trauma • Pregnancy • Pacemaker (issue with it itself)
main categories for the syncope ddx
cardiac intracerberal aorta GIB/anemia ectopic pregnancy pulm embolism
cardiac -three big causes of syncope
i. Arrhythmia
ii. Aortic stenosis
iii. Hypertrophic, other cardiomyopathies
intracerberal
i. Hemorrhage, SAH
ii. Ischemic stroke: rarely
common reasons people faint
a. Volume depletion – dehydration or are you bleeding from somewhere?
i. Dehydration, n/v/d
b. Medication effect
c. Drug/EtOH effect
d. Vasomotor (vasovagal)
e. Emotional event/reaction
f. Mimic – unwitnessed seizure
g. Hypoglycemia**