Valuation Questions & Answers – Advanced Flashcards
How do you value banks and financial institutions differently from other companies?
For relative valuation, the methodologies (public comps and precedent transactions) are
the same but the metrics and multiples are different:
• You screen based on assets or deposits in addition to the normal criteria.
• You look at metrics like ROE (Return on Equity, Net Income / Shareholders’
Equity), ROA (Return on Assets, Net Income / Total Assets), and Book Value and
Tangible Book Value rather than Revenue, EBITDA, and so on.
• You use multiples such as P / E, P / BV, and P / TBV rather than EV / EBITDA.
Rather than a traditional DCF, you use 2 different methodologies for intrinsic valuation:
• In a Dividend Discount Model (DDM) you sum up the present value of a bank’s
dividends in future years and then add it to the present value of the bank’s
terminal value, usually basing that on a P / BV or P / TBV multiple.
• In a Residual Income Model (also known as an Excess Returns Model), you take
the bank’s current Book Value and simply add the present value of the excess
returns to that Book Value to value it. The “excess return” each year is (ROE *
Book Value) – (Cost of Equity * Book Value) – basically how much the returns
exceed your expectations.
You need to use these methodologies and multiples because interest is a critical
component of a bank’s revenue and because debt is a “raw material” rather than just a
financing source; also, banks’ book values are usually very close to their market caps.
Walk me through an IPO valuation for a company that’s about to go public.
- Unlike normal valuations, in an IPO valuation we only care about public
company comparables. - After picking the public company comparables we decide on the most relevant
multiple to use and then estimate our company’s Enterprise Value based on that. - Once we have the Enterprise Value, we work backward to get to Equity Value
and also subtract the IPO proceeds because this is “new” cash. - Then we divide by the total number of shares (old and newly created) to get its
per-share price. When people say “An IPO priced at…” this is what they’re
referring to.
If you were using P / E or any other “Equity Value-based multiple” for the multiple in
step #2 here, then you would get to Equity Value instead and then subtract the IPO proceeds from there.
I’m looking at financial data for a public company comparable, and it’s April (Q2) right now. Walk me through how you would “calendarize” this company’s financial statements to show the Trailing Twelve Months as opposed to just the last Fiscal Year.
The “formula” to calendarize financial statements is as follows:
TTM = Most Recent Fiscal Year + New Partial Period – Old Partial Period
So in the example above, we would take the company’s Q1 numbers, add the most
recent fiscal year’s numbers, and then subtract the Q1 numbers from that most recent
fiscal year.
For US companies you can find these quarterly numbers in the 10-Q; for international
companies they’re in the interim reports.
Walk me through an M&A premiums analysis.
The purpose of this analysis is to look at similar transactions and see the premiums that
buyers have paid to sellers’ share prices when acquiring them. For example, if a
company is trading at $10.00/share and the buyer acquires it for $15.00/share, that’s a
50% premium.
- First, select the precedent transactions based on industry, date (past 2-3 years for
example) , and size (example: over $1 billion market cap). - For each transaction, get the seller’s share price 1 day, 20 days, and 60 days
before the transaction was announced (you can also look at even longer intervals,
or 30 days, 45 days, etc.). - Then, calculate the 1-day premium, 20-day premium, etc. by dividing the pershare purchase price by the appropriate share prices on each day.
- Get the medians for each set, and then apply them to your company’s current share price, share price 20 days ago, etc. to estimate how much of a premium a
buyer might pay for it.
Note that you only use this analysis when valuing public companies because private
companies don’t have share prices. Sometimes the set of companies here is exactly the
same as your set of precedent transactions but typically it is broader.
Walk me through a future share price analysis.
The purpose of this analysis is to project what a company’s share price might be 1 or 2
years from now and then discount it back to its present value.
- Get the median historical (usually TTM) P / E of your public company comparables.
- Apply this P / E multiple to your company’s 1-year forward or 2-year forward projected EPS to get its implied future share price.
- Then, discount this back to its present value by using a discount rate in-line with
the company’s Cost of Equity figures.
You normally look at a range of P / E multiples as well as a range of discount rates for
this type of analysis, and make a sensitivity table with these as inputs.
Both M&A premiums analysis and precedent transactions involve looking at
previous M&A transactions. What’s the difference in how we select them?
• All the sellers in the M&A premiums analysis must be public.
• Usually we use a broader set of transactions for M&A premiums – we might use
fewer than 10 precedent transactions but we might have dozens of M&A premiums. The industry and financial screens are usually less stringent.
• Aside from those, the screening criteria is similar –financial, industry, geography, and date.
Walk me through a Sum-of-the-Parts analysis.
In a Sum-of-the-Parts analysis, you value each division of a company using separate
comparables and transactions, get to separate multiples, and then add up each division’s
value to get the total for the company. Example:
We have a manufacturing division with $100 million EBITDA, an entertainment division
with $50 million EBITDA, and a consumer goods division with $75 million EBITDA.
We’ve selected comparable companies and transactions for each division, and the
median multiples come out to 5x EBITDA for manufacturing, 8x EBITDA for
entertainment, and 4x EBITDA for consumer goods.
Our calculation would be $100 * 5x + $50 * 8x + $75 * 4x = $1.2 billion for the company’s
total value.
How do you value Net Operating Losses and take them into account in a valuation?
You value NOLs based on how much they’ll save the company in taxes in future years,
and then take the present value of the sum of tax savings in future years. Two ways to
assess the tax savings in future years:
- Assume that a company can use its NOLs to completely offset its taxable income
until the NOLs run out. - In an acquisition scenario, use Section 382 and multiply the adjusted long-term
rate (http://pmstax.com/afr/exemptAFR.shtml) by the equity purchase price of
the seller to determine the maximum allowed NOL usage in each year – and then
use that to figure out the offset to taxable income.
You might look at NOLs in a valuation but you rarely add them in – if you did, they
would be similar to cash and you would subtract NOLs to go from Equity Value to
Enterprise Value, and vice versa.
I have a set of public company comparables and need to get the projections from
equity research. How do I select which report to use?
This varies by bank and group, but two common methods:
- You pick the report with the most detailed information.
- You pick the report with numbers in the middle of the range.
Note that you do not pick reports based on which bank they’re coming from. So if
you’re at Goldman Sachs, you would not pick all Goldman Sachs equity research – in
fact that would be bad because then your valuation would not be objective.
I have a set of precedent transactions but I’m missing information like EBITDA for a lot of the companies – how can I find it if it’s not available via public sources?
- Search online and see if you can find press releases or articles in the financial press with these numbers.
- Failing that, look in equity research for the buyer around the time of the
transaction and see if any of the analysts estimate the seller’s numbers. - Also look on online sources like Capital IQ and Factset and see if any of them disclose numbers or give estimates.
How far back and forward do we usually go for public company comparable and precedent transaction multiples?
Usually you look at the TTM (Trailing Twelve Months) period for both sets, and then you look forward either 1 or 2 years. You’re more likely to look backward more than 1 year and go forward more than 2 years for public company comparables; for precedent
transactions it’s odd to go forward more than 1 year because your information is more
limited.
I have one company with a 40% EBITDA margin trading at 8x EBITDA, and
another company with a 10% EBITDA margin trading at 16x EBITDA. What’s the
problem with comparing these two valuations directly?
There’s no “rule” that says this is wrong or not allowed, but it can be misleading to
compare companies with dramatically different margins. Due to basic arithmetic, the
40% margin company will usually have a lower multiple – whether or not its actual
value is lower.
In this situation, we might consider screening based on margins and remove the outliers
– you would never try to “normalize” the EBITDA multiples based on margins.
Walk me through how we might value an oil & gas company and how it’s different from a “standard” company.
Public comps and precedent transactions are similar, but:
• You might screen based on metrics like Proved Reserves or Daily Production.
• You would look at the above metrics as well as R/P (Proved Reserves / Last
Year’s Production), EBITDAX, and other industry-specific ones, and use
matching multiples.
You could use a standard Unlevered DCF to value an oil & gas company as well, but it’s
also common to see a NAV (Net Asset Value) Model where you take the company’s
Proved Reserves, assume they produce revenue until depletion, assign a cost to the
production in each year, and take the present value of those to value the company.
There are also a host of other complications: oil & gas companies are cyclical and have
no control over the prices they receive, companies use either “full-cost accounting” or
“successful efforts accounting” and treat the exploration expense differently, and so on.
Walk me through how we would value a REIT (Real Estate Investment Trust) and how it differs from a “normal” company.
Similar to energy, real estate is asset-intensive and a company’s value depends on how
much cash flow specific properties generate.
• You look at Price / FFO per Share (Funds From Operations) and Price / AFFO per
Share (Adjusted Funds From Operations), which add back Depreciation and subtract gains on property sales.
• A Net Asset Value (NAV) model is the most common intrinsic valuation
methodology; you assign a cap rate to the company’s forward NOI and multiply
to get the value of its real estate, adjust and add its other assets, subtract
liabilities and divide by its share count to get NAV per Share, and then compare
that to its current share price.
• You value properties by dividing Net Operating Income (NOI) (Property’s
Gross Income – Operating Expenses and Property Taxes) by the capitalization
rate (based on market data).
• Replacement Valuation is more common because you can actually estimate the
cost of buying new land and building new properties.
• A DCF is still a DCF, but it flows from specific properties and it might be useless
depending on what kind of company you’re valuing.
