soul mind body- Plato Flashcards
aquinas quote on soul
‘my soul is not me’
plato’s view on the soul
-dualist
-W of F is real world and this physical world incl. our body is not the real world
-so were a soul not a body
-argument from recollection
what’s a dualist?
mind/soul and body are different types of existence
mental and physical
what’s plato’s argument from recollection?
-we have ideas of perfect things
-e.g. perfect circle, or perfect justice
-but we have never seen a perfect circle or perfect goodness
-must have got these ideas from the W of F where there are perfect Forms of circles and goodness
-must be a part of us (our soul) which was in the W of Fs before we were born
-dim recollection of forms which explains our knowledge of perfect concepts- anamnesis
what’s Hume’s counter to plato’s dualism? (imagine)
-can invent perfection ourselves even though haven’t experienced it
-we can take our idea of imperfect beauty or imperfect circles and simply imagine them w/o the imperfection
-so just bc we haven’t experienced perfection, doesn’t require the existence of a soul or realm of forms to explain how we got the idea
-so P’s argument seems to fail
criticism of plato: justice and beauty subjective
-beauty and morality are subjective- in eye of beholder
-seem like matters of opinion determined by culture and change over time rather than fact
-so every1 has a different concept of perfect beauty or justice so its not objectively perfect
plato’s example of socrates and the slave boy
-socrates proved uneducated slave boy able to solve a geometry question using prompted questions and some shapes in the sand
-slave must have been born w geometric concepts
defence of plato- maths not subjective
-example of perfect circles can get around this issue as much harder to argue is subjective
hume criticism of plato about mathematical knowledge
mathematical knowledge could come from experience
-slave boy had no maths training but had seen shapes in his life so gained concepts of shapes and geometry
-this gave him basic conceptual understanding that Socrates’ questioning brought out and clarified
Plato’s example of soul/body interaction
even if plato was correct were born with perfect concepts..
doesn’t mean a should and work of forms is the only or even best explanation
how could evolution discount plato’s theory of recollection?
evolution could have programmed us to have a sense of morality, beauty
-the evolution of intelligence could explain being born w mathematical ability
Aristotle’s criticism of Plato: lacks empirical validity
-plato’s forms have no explanatory power
-the forms are unchanging and so cannot explain the change we experience in this world