Respiratory Flashcards
Ddx for hypoxia and b/l chest infiltrates?
- Aspiration pneumonitis
- ARDS (can be 2/2 to anything…head trauma, fat embolism, aspiration)
- Pulm manifestation of SIRS- Mech: Injury to capillary alveolar membrane –> can lead to permanent scarring and fibrosing alveolitis
- Cardiogenic pulm edema
- TRALI/TACO
- Neurogenic pulm edema (can happen after any insult to CNS)
Periop resp complications associated with OSA? (4)
- hypoxia
- hypercarbia
- resp depression
- airway obstruction
How to dx OSA if no sleep study?
STOP BANG:
Snoring
Tiredness
Observed apnea
Pressure (BP)
BMI (>35)
Age >50
Neck (>40cm)
Gender (M)
1-2 of these: low risk, 3-4 high risk of OSA, 5-8 = high risk of mod-severe OSA
Overall periop complications associated w/obesity?
DMT2
Altered drug effects
PE
Metabolic syndrome
Stroke/CAD/NAFLD
Pt positioning
All of the apneas (OSA, postop apnea, OHS)
Things to consider when have an obese pt scheduled to have anesthesia at an outpt center?
- Undiagnosed OSA
- Other comorbidities and if optimized
- Intra-op anesthesia (local/MAC, regional, GA)
- Facility’s resources for emergency resp issues, transfer agreement, etc
- Anticipated postop opiate requirement
- Age
- What kind of support to care for patient at home
Ddx for SOB especially in pt w/mediastinal mass?
1) Mass compression of airways (VQ mismatch, post-obstructive PNA)
2) Mass compression of great vessels (SVC, pulm art) or heart itself
3) Asthma/COPD/aspiration (pt also had GERD, asthma, and smoked)
4) Myasthenia gravis (thymoma most common ant med mass, and 30-65% of pts with thymomas develop MG)
Are PFTs helpful to obtain preop for a nonthoracic case? Why/why not?
No
- evidence suggests they are poor predictors of periop resp complications
- provide little additional info that can’t be obtained from CT
- don’t alter anesthetic plan
What would you have in the room for induction and airway management of pt w/ant med mass?
- ALL kinds of ETTs! Reinforced, long ETTs/MLTs, endobronchial tubes
- glide, fiber
-surgeon in room w/rigid bronchoscope (can use to ID most patent mainstem bronchus, stent airway, jet ventilation), sternal saw (for worst case scenario!) - put pt in most comfy position
- cannulate femoral arteries for ECMO just in case
Ddx and what to do if cannot ventilate pt w/o an ETT?
- mass compression (if pt w/ant med mass), bronchospasm, obstruction, laryngospasm
- place OPA, try to bag w/100% FiO2
- auscultate chest
- reposition if helpful for mass effect
- DL to see if laryngospasm (if not, place ETT and try to ventilate. If still unable to, fiber thru to see if mucous plug or mass effect or bronchospasm and tx)
What is neg pressure pulm edema? S/s? Tx?
- relief of airway obstruction iso high intrapleural pressures generated by vigorous inspiratory effort against obstructed airway –> inc transcapillary pressure gradient –> pulm edema formation
- edema can occur w/in a few mins - 3 hrs! Coughing, tachypnea, hypoxia
- maintaining airway patency, suppl O2, diuretics, mech ventilation PRN. Usually resolves quickly
How would you assess resp status in someone who is baseline hypoxic (~90%) and has a hx of smoking? Things you’d order preop?
- H&P. Look for s/s of COPD: cough, sputum prod, freq of pulm infx/exacerbations, # of hospitalizations, effecacy of past txs?
- CXR, PFTs (+/-…in this pt, if a case w/inc risk of postop pulm complications, maybe. Gives type and severity + if reversible component, baseline pulm fxn), serum albumin (<35 –> inc risk of postop pulm complications), ABG, +/- pulm consult
- optimization if elective case: smoking cessation > 8wks, preop chest physio, bronchodilators, glucocorticoids, abx if e/o infx
Major thing to remember about interpreting PFTs?
What’s the cutoff for c/f extubation afterwards?
- FEV1/FVC <70% = obstructive. <50% = severe
- FEV1 and FVC <30% predicted = likely need for postop vent support
Benefits of smoking cessation
- dec carboxyHb (improve O2 availability by shifting O2 dissociation curve to the R)
- improved ciliary fxn
- dec nicotine levels
- dec airway hyperreactivity, sputum production, periop pulm complications
Conservative extubation criteria (likely in ICU) for pt you’re concerned about d/t pulm disease etc?
- awake and cooperative and intact gag reflex
- muscle relaxants fully reversed
- VC > 10cc/kg, TV > 6cc/kg
- NIF > 20
- SPO2 > 90% on 40-50% FiO2 w/< 5 PEEP, or PaO2 > 60 w/FiO2 < 50%
- PaCO2 < 50
- RSBI < 100, or RR < 30
Explain how neurogenic pulmonary edema works?
Head/C-spine injury –> symp activation –> systemic vasoconstriction –> dec LV compliance –> inc LA pressure –> neurogenic pulm edema
Lots of things/systems etc that you should be thinking about with acute/chronic C-spine injury?
- resp dysfxn (C3-5 phrenic n, C5-7 intercostal m)
- hypoTN (neurogenic shock from loss of symp vasc tone)
- pulm aspiration (NPO, GERD/paralytic ileus/impaired airway reflexes)
- diff airway management (in line stabilization and inc risk aspiration)
- thermal regulation (loss of vasoconstriction below)
- arrhythmias
- pt positioning injury (unstable C spine, lock of sensation below)
As time progressed, c/f:
- autonomic hyperreflexia
- hyperK
- PNA risk 2/2 impaired cough and secretion clearing
- inc risk DVT and PE
Good way to state why you’d want to wait to extubate patient who’s just undergone big surgery, like thoracic aneurysm repair
- would not attempt extubation in OR d/t significant pulm disease,
- deleterious effects of this type of surgery on pulm fxn (one lung ventilation, surgical manipulation of diaphragm and lungs, phrenic and RLN injury), and
- potential for airway and pulm edema (significant fluid administration, inc capillary permeability a/w/ aortic X clamping)
Assuming patient’s lung compliance was normal, what kind of vent mode would you place postop pt on in ICU?
- SIMV: vent support + allowing pt to assist in WOB and exercise resp muscles until weaning was possible
- if dec lung compliance, could conisder pressure control mode to maximize oxygenation and avoid vent associated lung injury
What are some pulm studies to include in a pre-thoractomy assessment?
- resp mechanics: FEV1, FVC, etc
- lung parenchymal fxn: DLCO, PaO2, PaCO2
- CV/P reserve: stair climbing, exercise SpO2, 6m walk test, VO2 max
- calculate ppoFEV1% (predicted postop FEV1)…if < 40%, would order V/Q scan to assess contribution of lung to be resected. ppoFEV1 <40% are at high risk of RHF postop. Only need an echo if <40% and MACE was high
- Best info to gather: ppoFEV1 (resp mechanics), DLCO (lung parenchymal fxn), and VO2 max (cardiopulm reserve)
What are a couple of signs of chronic hypoxia? Like in a COPD pt
- digital clubbing
- High Hct (hypoxia can –> erythrocytosis)
- pulm HTN, RHF
How can you estimate a normal arterial PaO2 on RA for a patient?
102 - (age/3)
So, if have a 65yo, would be… 102 - (21.5) = 80.5
Expected compensatory responses for acid/base disturbances
How to explain why you’d place a L sided DLT for L pneumonectomy?
- RUL bronchus’ proximity to carina (1-2.5cm) inc risk of RUL obstruction. LUL to carina = 5cm, so greater margin of safety
- Could potentially suture tube at time of L bronchus resection, so need to w/d bronchial lumen of tube into trachea at this time
- Could potentially disturb the bronchial stump by advancing DLT after closure of L bronchus, so need to be careful that this doesn’t inadvertently happen
- Could be difficult to adequately advance L bronchial lumen into L main bronchus due to tumor location…in which case could place a R sided DLT or bronchial blocker
Steps to take if pt hypoxic after initiation of OLV?
- 100% FiO2
- confirm proper DLT placement
- ensure adequate perfusion (ECG, art line) and oxygen carrying capacity (Hb)
- recruitment maneuvers
- optimize PEEP to ventilated lung, CPAP to surgical side (can interfere w/their visualization)
- re-inflate nondependent lung
- discuss w/surgeon ability to ligate pulm art to eliminate shunt
- consider PTX as possibility if pt w/COPD