Melocha of Tochen Flashcards
what is the definition of Tochen?
crumbling a solid body in2 small pieces in order to facilitate a use. ie grating cheeese.
what did they use tochen for in the mishkan?
they crushed the herbs to dye fabric of the yerios
what is the shiur(size) of tochen for grinding food?
a grogeres גרוגרת (dried fig)
what is the shiur of tochen for grinding wood for sawdust or filing metal?
חייב in any amount
what is the shiur of tochen for some1 who chops wood?
is only חייב till he cuts enough wood 2 cook a גרוגרת worth of chicken egg(this is just 2 bring Korban Chatos-otherwise less)
What is the Av Melocha of tochen?
grinding with a milestone or spices with a utensil made for grinding.
Toldos of Tochen
A. some1 who cuts vegetables with a knife finely.
B. grinds wood for sawdust.
C. some1 who grinds metal to use dust.
in all of these it changes from 1 body to many.
What are the איסורים דרבנן? (one)
Asur to grind them with a Kli meant for it (עובדין דחול)
What are the איסורים דרבנן? (two)
u may not do anything 4 medicine needs. in case u will come 2 crush herbs to prepare medicine(there r exceptions)
is it permitted 2 grind things not grown from the ground. (ie. eggs,meat)
yes
**what are the two opinions about mushing fruit with moisture in them?
- its not asur because it stays one body and not in2 bits.
2. asur to mush or spread on bread.. unless fruit is so soft that if u hold it from 1 side will plop off;)
what can/cant u do to cooked fruit/veg?
u can mush it but cant put it thru a sieve.
what is the main Issur of the melocha of Tochen
produce grown from the ground- doesn’t matter if they fitting to eat/not or grounded/not.
what are the halochas of things that don’t grow from the ground?
Tochen doesn’t apply to such items ie. eggs. if it is fit to be eaten as it is, u can cut them finely/crush them but not with a Kli meant 4 it.
is one allowed to cut/shave raw meat?
if the food isn’t fit to be eaten without grinding, even if it isn’t from the ground, its 4bidden 2 do tochen. so 1 isn’t allowed to cut meat.
if it is close to the time of the Seuda, can 1 cut with a knife?
you can cut but not with a special Kli, coz close 2 the meal the cutting is considered Derech Achila(way of eating) and not Tochen
what is considered close to time of eating?
a second before
Chazal 4bade us to use a kli for everything, things grown/not grown from ground, what will it look like if we do?
uvdin Dechol(weekday tasks)
is one allowed to use the special kli used to chop onions? why?
no coz it cuts finely.
is one allowed to use an egg slicer? why?
yes coz its not specific for grinding.
is one allowed to use a peppercorn grinder? if use a Shinu?
no even with a shinu (Derabanan)
can 1 grind with back of knife on table?
yes coz u made complete changes
can u crush a banana/tomato for a baby?if yes how?
yes with a back off spoon or handle of a fork.
does Tochen apply to something connected together by ppl?
no only applies to something connected naturally.
