Melocha of Tochen

Question 1

what is the definition of Tochen?

Answer 1

crumbling a solid body in2 small pieces in order to facilitate a use. ie grating cheeese.

Question 2

what did they use tochen for in the mishkan?

Answer 2

they crushed the herbs to dye fabric of the yerios

Question 3

what is the shiur(size) of tochen for grinding food?

Answer 3

a grogeres גרוגרת (dried fig)

Question 4

what is the shiur of tochen for grinding wood for sawdust or filing metal?

Answer 4

חייב in any amount

Question 5

what is the shiur of tochen for some1 who chops wood?

Answer 5

is only חייב till he cuts enough wood 2 cook a גרוגרת worth of chicken egg(this is just 2 bring Korban Chatos-otherwise less)

Question 6

What is the Av Melocha of tochen?

Answer 6

grinding with a milestone or spices with a utensil made for grinding.

Question 7

Toldos of Tochen

Answer 7

A. some1 who cuts vegetables with a knife finely.
B. grinds wood for sawdust.
C. some1 who grinds metal to use dust.
in all of these it changes from 1 body to many.

Question 8

What are the איסורים דרבנן? (one)

Answer 8

Asur to grind them with a Kli meant for it (עובדין דחול)

Question 9

What are the איסורים דרבנן? (two)

Answer 9

u may not do anything 4 medicine needs. in case u will come 2 crush herbs to prepare medicine(there r exceptions)

Question 10

is it permitted 2 grind things not grown from the ground. (ie. eggs,meat)

Answer 10

yes

Question 11

**what are the two opinions about mushing fruit with moisture in them?

Answer 11

1. its not asur because it stays one body and not in2 bits.

2. asur to mush or spread on bread.. unless fruit is so soft that if u hold it from 1 side will plop off;)

Question 12

what can/cant u do to cooked fruit/veg?

Answer 12

u can mush it but cant put it thru a sieve.

Question 13

what is the main Issur of the melocha of Tochen

Answer 13

produce grown from the ground- doesn’t matter if they fitting to eat/not or grounded/not.

Question 14

what are the halochas of things that don’t grow from the ground?

Answer 14

Tochen doesn’t apply to such items ie. eggs. if it is fit to be eaten as it is, u can cut them finely/crush them but not with a Kli meant 4 it.

Question 15

is one allowed to cut/shave raw meat?

Answer 15

if the food isn’t fit to be eaten without grinding, even if it isn’t from the ground, its 4bidden 2 do tochen. so 1 isn’t allowed to cut meat.

Question 16

if it is close to the time of the Seuda, can 1 cut with a knife?

Answer 16

you can cut but not with a special Kli, coz close 2 the meal the cutting is considered Derech Achila(way of eating) and not Tochen

Question 17

what is considered close to time of eating?

Answer 17

a second before

Question 18

Chazal 4bade us to use a kli for everything, things grown/not grown from ground, what will it look like if we do?

Answer 18

uvdin Dechol(weekday tasks)

Question 19

is one allowed to use the special kli used to chop onions? why?

Answer 19

no coz it cuts finely.

Question 20

is one allowed to use an egg slicer? why?

Answer 20

yes coz its not specific for grinding.

Question 21

is one allowed to use a peppercorn grinder? if use a Shinu?

Answer 21

no even with a shinu (Derabanan)

Question 22

can 1 grind with back of knife on table?

Answer 22

yes coz u made complete changes

Question 23

can u crush a banana/tomato for a baby?if yes how?

Answer 23

yes with a back off spoon or handle of a fork.

Question 24

does Tochen apply to something connected together by ppl?

Answer 24

no only applies to something connected naturally.

Question 25

is it allowed to grind bread, matza/medicine?why?

Answer 25

yes coz its made from something ground be4.

Question 26

what conditions are there?

Answer 26

only if u grind (using a kli) something not 4 tochen(knife)2 cut it that day.

Question 27

may you chew something thatu don’t want 2 eat/to feed it to a baby?

Answer 27

no

Question 28

can you take off dry mud from ur clothes? why?

Answer 28

no coz the dirt becomes crumbled.

Question 29

is one allowed to take medicine?

Answer 29

yes

Question 30

Summary of Tochen

Answer 30

1. immediately with a knife-can do it in big pieces.
2. doesn’t grow from ground-with a knife-small pieces
3. everything else- cant

Question 31

well done!!!!

Answer 31

finished Tochen