General Flashcards

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Lawyers have duties to:

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Clients (Loyalty, Confidentiality, Professional Judgment, Honesty); The Judicial System (Honesty; Officer of the Court); The Legal Profession (Civility, Independence, Honesty); 3rd Parties (Maintaining Confidence in the Law, Promoting Administration of Justice, Honesty).

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Lawyer roles

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Advisor, Advocate, Negotiator, Evaluator, 3rd Party Arbiter

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Minimum Requirements of Lawyer Conduct

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Complying with Rules of PR; Following Rules of Court and Court Orders; Avoiding Liability.

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Higher Goals of Lawyer Conduct

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Pro Bono Service; Commitment to Client Service and Excellent Representation.

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Rule 8.5: Disciplinary Authority; Choice of Law

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If you’re licensed here or engage in misconduct here, the Bar has jurisdiction. For misconduct in litigation, rules of tribunal apply. For other misconduct, rules where conduct occurred (or had a predominant effect) apply.

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What discipline is appropriate?

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General Considerations (Nature of Violation. Extent of Actual/Potential Harm, State of Mind); Aggravating Factors (Pattern of Misconduct, Vulnerability of Victim, No Remorse, Lack of Honesty, Negative Impact on Perception of the Profession); Mitigating Factors (Absence of Dishonesty, Good Faith Efforts to Make Restitution, Remorse, Cooperation, Inexperience)

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Rule 8.4: Misconduct (Per Bannon, not a catch-all—be familiar)

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It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to: (1) violate or attempt to violate the RPC, or knowingly assist or induct another to do so; (2) commit criminal acts that reflect adversely on the lawyer’s honesty or trustworthiness; (3) engage in conduct suggesting dishonesty, fraud, or deceit; (4) engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice; (5) imply that they have influence over a government agency or official; (6) intentionally prejudice the administration of justice.

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Rule 8.1: Bar Admission and Disciplinary Matters

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Whether inquiry is about you or another lawyer, must be rigorously and completely honest in disciplinary matters and re: admission to the bar.

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Rule 8.3: Reporting Professional Misconduct

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(1) Must report to the Bar when you KNOW that another lawyer has engaged in conduct that raises a SUBSTANTIAL QUESTION as to the lawyer’s fitness; (2) This rule does not require disclosure of information protected under Rule 1.6

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Key Concepts: Regulating Lawyers

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(1) Lawyers must participate in regulation, even when it is burdensome; (2) Must be completely honest in disciplinary matters and with the Bar; (3) Must report KNOWN Rule violations that raise a SUBSTANTIAL QUESTION as to the lawyer’s fitness (but duty to keep client confidences takes precedence); (4) the State where lawyer is licensed has jurisdiction, rules of tribunal apply to misconduct in litigation, for all other misconduct, the rules of the state where it occurs will apply.

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Rule 8.2: Judicial and Legal Officials

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Don’t intentionally or recklessly slander a judge or judicial candidate.

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How to tell is two or more lawyers are a “firm”:

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Fact-specific. Emphasis on how they present to the public and whether they share access to client information.

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Do subordinate lawyers get a “pass” when they violate the Rules per their supervisor’s instruction? Rule 5.2

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Lawyers are bound by the Rules always, but they’ll get a pass on “arguable questions of professional duty.”

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Rules 5.1 & 5.2: Responsibilities of Firm Lawyers

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(1) Firm must have adequate policies; (2) there must be reasonable supervision; (3) vicarious liability if (A) lawyer orders or ratifies the conduct or (B) there is opportunity to remediate but failure to do so.

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Considerations When Leaving a Firm

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(1) Duty of loyalty to firm; (2) duty to communicate with clients and protect their interests; (3) protect client’s choice of counsel (Rule 5.6: no restrictions on rights to practice).

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Rule 1.18: Duties to Prospective Clients

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(1) People who consult with lawyers are prospective clients; (2) lawyer cannot reveal information obtained in consultation except as Rule 1.9 would permit (same as normal duty but may reveal if the info is in the public record unless it would be embarassing or detrimental to client); (3) can’t represent clients with interests materially adverse IF you received information from the prospective client that could be significantly harmful to the client.

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How to tell if ACR was formed?

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Fact-specific inquiry. It doesn’t turn on payment of $$ or contract. Emphasis is on client’s reasonable belief and duty is on the lawyer to clarify ambiguity. Sharing of confidential information = manifestation of intent to form ACR—if lawyer provides advice, ACR implied.

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Rule 1.16: Declining Representation

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Lawyers are generally free to accept or decline any representation, but a lawyer shall not represent a client when the representation WILL result in a violation of the law or the Rules or where a lawyer’s condition materially impairs representation.

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What constitutes unauthorized practice of law?

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Per statutes, the “practice of law” is extremely broad—cannot hold yourself out as competent to give advice, and doesn’t matter if you didn’t charge. Only members of the State Bar may practice law.

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Rule 5.5: Unauthorized Practice of Law

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(1) A lawyer in good standing in another jurisdiction can practice here if: admitted pro hac vice, allowed by law or court to appear, working as in-house counsel, not dealing with NC law, when admission by comity is pending; (2) a lawyer shall not assist another person in the unauthorized practice of law.

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Rules 7.1 & 7.2: Communications Concerning a Lawyer’s Services

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A lawyer shall not make false or misleading statements about the lawyer or the lawyer’s services, including about the results the lawyer can achieve. Can’t say you’re a specialist unless some organization says you are. Lawyers may advertise, but lawyers may not pay kickbacks.

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Rule 7.4: Intermediary Organizations

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Contains tons of rules about how an intermediary organization must be run. Flag it.

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Rule 7.3: Direct Contact with Potential Clients

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Don’t solicit clients via person-to-person contact unless you’re not doing it for money, the other person is a lawyer, you have a close relationship with the other person, or the person routinely uses lawyers for business purposes.

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Rule 5.4: Professional Independence of Lawyer

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In general, a lawyer may not share fees with a nonlawyer, but there are exceptions in the Rule. Don’t form partnerships with nonlaywers. If someone else pays for your client’s representation, don’t let them drive the representation (need informed consent, maintain confidentiality, no interference with judgment: Rule 1.8)

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Rule 1.5: Fees

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Fees must be reasonable or contract might not be enforceable and you might be subject to discipline. Reasonable factors: time, labor, and skill required; market rates; reputation of lawyer; results obtained; restrictions (e.g., time) imposed by client. Lawyer can TRY to renegotiate fees. Lawyer can charge contingency fees but not in family or criminal cases. Contingency fee agreement with details must be in writing, but regular arrangements don’t have to be. Lawyers may share fees (with informed consent) with cocounsel to the extent labor was divided.

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Rule 1.1: Competence

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Lawyers shall not handle matters that they know or should know that they are incompetent to handle.

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Rule 1.2: Scope of Representation and Allocation of Authority

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Client decides what the goal is; lawyer must confer with client, but need not get permission for every step. Certain things are always up to the client (pleas, settlements). “My client told me to” isn’t an excuse for lack of professionalism. Lawyer is expert on strategy—need not press every point you possibly could.

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Rule 1.3: Diligence

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A lawyer shall act with reasonable diligence and promptness in representing a client.

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Rule 1.13: Organization as Client

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Can report things in-house, but keep it in-house.

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Rule 1.14: Client with Diminished Capacity

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Try to maintain as normal an ACR as possible.

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Lawyer as Agent

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Clients are bound by their lawyer’s mistakes. Client can attempt to recover through a malpractice claim or through a breach of fiduciary duty claim.

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Elements of a Malpractice Claim:

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(1) ACR or other duty of care existed; (2) the defendant did not act as a reasonably prudent lawyer in the jurisdiction under similar circumstances; (3) defendant’s breach caused damages; (4) but for defendant’s conduct, the plaintiff would have been successful in underlying claim.

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The First Rule of Confidentiality Is:

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You don’t talk about confidential information!

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Rule 1.6: Confidentiality of Information

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A lawyer shall not reveal information acquired during the professional relationship with a client unless the client gives informed consent, the
disclosure is impliedly authorized in order to carry out the representation or the disclosure is permitted by paragraph (b). Applies to all information relating to the representation of a client, in whatever form, acquired from any source. Lawyers are under a duty to act competently to preserve confidential info—analyzed under rules of reason.

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Rule 1.6(b) Confidentiality Exceptions

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Exceptions allow lawyers to disclose confidential information in order to: (1) protect the administration of justice (compliance with rules, laws, and courts); (2) protect others (preventing the commission of a crime by the client, preventing reasonably certain death or bodily harm, rectifying fraudulent or criminal acts in which the lawyer’s services were used); (3) protect oneself (getting advice about the Rules, establishing a claim/defense, detecting & resolving conflicts of interest arising from the lawyer’s change of employment). All permissive, not mandatory. Only reveal to the extent necessary.

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How long must a lawyer protect client information?

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Majority rule: the duty of confidentiality outlives the client.

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Rule 1.9(c): Confidentiality Duty to Former Clients

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Duty is same as for current clients, except that a lawyer may disclose information that is contained in the public record unless it would be embarrassing or detrimental to the client.

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Duty to Not Use Information to Client’s Detriment (Rule 1.8)

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A lawyer shall not use information relating to the representation of a client unless the client gives informed consent or it is otherwise permitted by the rules.

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Financial Assistance to Client (1.8)

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Not permitted except when advancing court costs and litigation expenses on contingency or paying court costs and expenses when your client is indigent.

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Attorney-Client Privilege

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Generally much narrower than a lawyer’s duty of confidentiality. As general principle, neither atty nor client can be req’d to testify or produce evidence that reveals content of confidential communications btwn client & atty. Applicable to communications, btwn
“privileged persons,” in confidence, for purpose of obtaining or providing legal assistance for the client so long as the privilege hasn’t been waived.

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Work Product Privilege

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Materials prepared in anticipation of litigation or for use in litigation are immune from compelled disclosure. Exception: There is substantial need and it would be an undue hardship to obtain the substantial equivalent of the materials.

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Trust Accounting Key Concepts (Rule 1.15)

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Promptly deposit and keep funds in a trust account separate from own cash (no commingling) (dedicated trust account for client if lots of money or long time) (if general trust account, deposit must indicate whose cash it is); only cash related to representation; in the event of a dispute, leave the cash in the account until the dispute is resolved; no debit cards or cash withdrawals (checks must reflect whose cash it is and be signed by lawyer or employee with training who is not responsible for reconciliation); do not use entrusted cash for anyone other than the beneficial owner (theft); promptly disburse funds as requested by the client; direct your bank to notify the Bar if there is an overdraft; maintain meticulous records including bank statements, cancelled checks, confirmations, and ledgers for each client (for 6 years); reconcile the overall balance monthly and individual client balances quarterly; provide clients with accounting at least annually, at their request, and when all funds are disbursed; report to the Bar when funds are misused or when accidents happen; random audits occur; wait until funds are credited to disburse; notify client of receipt of funds belonging to them.

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What if a lawyer needs to deposit a check that contains commingled funds?

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Indicate on the deposit which cash is yours. After it credits, you can withdraw that money.

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Types of Concurrent Conflicts (Rule 1.7)

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Duty of loyalty. A lawyer shall not represent a client when: (1) clients have directly adverse legal interests (doesn’t have to be same case); (2) representation is materially limited by responsibilities to a current or former client; (3) representation is materially limited by personal interests.

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Consenting to Conflicts

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With written confirmation of informed consent from all parties, most conflicts are consentable, unless the representation is illegal, involves clients on opposing sides of the same litigation, or it is unreasonable for lawyer to believe s/he can adequately represent both clients (If to be loyal to both clients you would be making choices that are different than a lawyer without the dual representation (making compromises, etc), then you have a nonconsentable conflict. If conflict not consentable (or clients don’t consent), must decline representation or withdraw). Must withdraw from representing both clients if lawyer cannot fulfill obligations to former client while continuing to represent client with adverse interest.

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Duty of Loyalty

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A lawyer may not act as an advocate in one matter against a person the lawyer represents in some other matter, even when the matters are wholly unrelated. The client … is likely to feel betrayed, and the resulting damage to the client-lawyer relationship is likely to impair the lawyer’s ability to represent the client effectively.

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Rule 1.9: Duties to Former Clients

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No general duty of loyalty to former clients, only confidentiality. Former clients create conflicts of interest only where their confidential info is likely to be in play in the same or a substantially similar matter (matters are substantially similar when there is a substantial risk that facts you learned from former client could materially advance this client’s position). Cannot represent Person X adverse to Former Client when there is substantial risk that the sort of confidential factual information as would normally have been obtained in Former Client’s prior representation would materially advance Person X’s position in the subsequent matter.

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Rule 1.19: Sexual Conduct with Clients Prohibited

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No sex or sexual communications with your clients. You can make a client out of your sexual partner, but you may not make a sexual partner out of your client.

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Rule 3.3: Candor Toward the Tribunal

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Don’t lie to court or fail to correct false statement; don’t fail to disclose to the court controlling legal authority; don’t offer evidence you know to be false (may refuse to offer evidence if reasonable belief it’s false other than D testimony in criminal matter). Must tell Court if client lies. Try to persuade client not to offer false testimony, but in any case don’t elicit it.

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Rule 3.4: Fairness to Opposing Party and Counsel

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Do not: Unlawfully obstruct another party’s access to evidence; alter, destroy or conceal a document or other material having potential evidentiary value; or counsel or assist another person to do any such act. Don’t make frivolous discovery requests. Don’t tell a witness to leave the jurisdiction. Don’t falsify evidence. Make a diligent effort to comply with discovery requests, and don’t fail to make disclosures you should know are required. Don’t tell your client to disobey the court unless you’re testing the validity of the obligation in good faith. Don’t allude to any matter that the lawyer does not reasonably believe is relevant or that will not be supported by admissible evidence.

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Rule 3.8: Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor

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A prosecutor shall: not bring frivolous charges, safeguard constitutional rights, make timely disclosure of all evidence, not seek evidence from opposing counsel unless absolutely necessary, tell someone if you got an innocent person convicted, not make inflammatory statements that heighten public condemnation of the accused.

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Rule 8.6: Information About a Possible Wrongful Conviction

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When a lawyer knows of evidence that creates a reasonable likelihood that a defendant did not commit the crime for which he was convicted, the lawyer shall promptly disclose the information unless: (1) the evidence is protected by law from disclosure; (2) disclosure would criminally implicate a current or former client or severely prejudice them; or (3) disclosure would violate ACP. A lawyer who, in good faith, concludes that this rule does not apply shall not be subject to disciplinary action.

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Rule 3.6: Trial Publicity

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General rule: No public comments that have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing the adjudicative proceeding. Certain mundane topics are always safe. Lawyers may respond to publicity. Lawyers may reply to charges of misconduct.

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Ineffective Assistance of Counsel

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APPLICABLE STANDARD: Whether counsel’s conduct so undermined the
proper functioning of the adversarial process that the trial cannot be
relied on as having produced a just result. Need: (1) deficient performance (objective standard; and (2) reasonable probability that, but for the lawyer, the result would have been different.

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Business Transactions with Clients (Rule 1.8) (know the specifics)

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Prohibited unless: (1) fair and reasonable; (2) terms fully disclosed and in writing; (3) written advice telling them they should seek legal counsel; (4) reasonable opportunity to seek counsel; (5) signed written informed consent to transaction and lawyer’s role in the transaction. Not applicable to standard commercial transactions that the client markets to others, but is applicable if client’s business has to do with the law. Also applicable to fee arrangements where lawyer acquires part of business as a fee.

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Client Gifts (Rule 1.8)

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Lawyers cannot solicit client gifts or prepare instruments gifting them things (unless family). Because of the fiduciary relationship, such gifts are presumed to be fraudulent or the product of undue influence.

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Compensation from 3rd Party (1.8)

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A lawyer shall not accept compensation from one other than the client unless: (1) the client gives informed consent; (2) there is no interference with the lawyer’s independence of professional
judgment or w/client-lawyer relationship; and (3) information is protected per Rule 1.6.

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Common Representation (1.8)

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A lawyer who represents two or more clients shall not participate in making an aggregate settlement of the claims of or against the clients, or in a criminal case an aggregated agreement as to guilty or nolo contendere pleas, unless each client gives informed consent, in a writing signed by the client.

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Acquiring Media Rights (1.8)

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Do not attempt to acquire media rights to client’s story of the case during the representation.

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Proprietary Interest in the Litigation (1.8)

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A lawyer shall not acquire a proprietary interest in the cause of action or subject matter of litigation the lawyer is conducting for a client, except acquiring a lien to secure expenses and contracting for a contingency fee.

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Limiting Malpractice Liability (1.8)

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A lawyer cannot contract out of a future malpractice claim unless the client is independently represented in signing the waiver. A lawyer cannot settle a claim or potential claim unless the client is informed in writing that they should seek counsel and is given a reasonable opportunity to do so.

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Assisting Client Wrongdoing (Rule 1.2)

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A lawyer shall not counsel a client to engage, or assist a client,
in conduct that the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent, but a lawyer
may discuss the legal consequences of any proposed course of conduct. A lawyer may not be willfully blind, either! See also Rule 8.4 (lawyer cannot commit criminal acts or engage in dishonest conduct).

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Investigation: General Principles

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Competence (Rule 1.1) & Diligence (Rule 1.3) includes undertaking reasonable investigation into relevant facts. Don’t make frivolous discovery requests, or improperly induce witnesses (Rule 3.4). Don’t use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of a third person (Rule 4.4a). Don’t ask someone other than a client to refrain from voluntarily giving relevant information to another party unless that person is an agent/employee/relative of client and reasonable belief that their interests will not be affected. (Rule 3.4).

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Rule 4.2: Communication with Person Represented by Counsel

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Lawyers may not communicate with the other party in the litigation if the lawyer KNOWS that the party is represented, unless the other party’s lawyer has consented or you are required to by law or court order. Don’t get someone else to talk to them, but you can get your client to talk to them in a good faith effort to resolve the controversy.

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Communicating with Constituents of Organizations Represented by Counsel (Rule 4.2)

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Don’t talk to org constituents: (1) if they are involved in the matter or works with the org’s counsel, (2) if the person has power to make decisions in the litigation, or (3) if that person created the org’s liability. If the constituent is represented by their own counsel, then follow normal rules.

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Rule 4.3: Dealing with Unrepresented Person

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Never imply that you are disinterested (be upfront). Don’t give legal advice (other than advice to secure counsel) if you know or reasonably should know that the interests of that person could be in conflict with the interests of your client. If you know or should know that the person misunderstands your role in the matter, you must clear it up.

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Surreptitious Recording

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It is not unethical to secretly record (may be necessary to protect lawyer or client) but do not engage in deceit or misrepresentation in connection with the recording (denying its being done, concealing purpose of call, failing to identify oneself). Don’t violate a third person’s legal rights! (4.4).

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Rule 4.4: Respect for Rights of Third Persons

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(1) a lawyer shall not use means that have no substantial purpose other than to embarrass, delay, or burden a third person, or use methods of obtaining evidence that violate the legal rights of such a person; (2) a lawyer who receives a writing relating to the representation of the lawyer’s client and knows or reasonably should know that the writing was inadvertently sent shall promptly notify the sender. Don’t search for metadata.

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May a lawyer conduct a cloak-and-dagger investigation?

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Yes, but only if it is for the public interest.

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Rule 4.1: Truthfulness in Statements to Others

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In the course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of material fact or law to a third person.

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Rule 3.5: Impropriety and Decorum of the Tribunal

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Don’t improperly seek to influence anyone, don’t communicate ex parte with the jury or the judge, and don’t engage in conduct intended to disrupt a tribunal (including depositions and the like) by, for example, failing to comply with known local customs and courtesies, degrading the tribunal through discourteous conduct, or intentionally or habitually violating rules of evidence/civ pro.

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Rule 1.4: Communication

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A lawyer shall: (1) promptly inform the client of any decision or circumstance with respect to which the client’s informed consent is required; (2) reasonably consult with the client about the means by which the client’s objectives are to be accomplished; (3) keep the client reasonably informed about the status of the matter; (4) promptly comply with reasonable requests for information; and (5) consult with the client about any relevant limitation on the lawyer’s conduct when the lawyer knows that the client expects assistance not permitted by the Rules of Professional Conduct or other law.

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Negotiations

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You’re allowed to threaten criminal charges to help your negotiations if grounded in fact and warranted by law. You’re allowed to condition the settlement on not reporting a crime (unless not reporting would be a crime) but you can’t destroy or hide evidence. If paying for silence, don’t pay more than the plaintiff could recover at trial.

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Settlement Restricting the Right to Practice

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Rule 5.6(b)(b) prohibits lawyers from participating in the making of any agreement in which a restriction
on a lawyer’s right to practice is part of the settlement of a controversy between private parties

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Money Issues When Saying Goodbye (Rules 1.5 and 1.15)

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Return unearned fees. You can collect what is owed but don’t touch the trust account if there is a dispute.

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Rule 1.16: Terminating Representation

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Terminate representation promptly. Don’t charge for termination. A lawyer must comply with applicable law requiring notice to or permission of a tribunal when terminating a representation. When ordered to do so by a tribunal, a lawyer shall continue representation notwithstanding good cause for terminating the representation. If you need to terminate because the client wants you to do something bad, say it’s for “professional considerations” as to not break confidentiality. Lawyers shall withdraw from representation if it WILL result in breaking the Rules, the lawyer’s condition impairs the representation, or the lawyer is dismissed.

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Client Files

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Belongs to the client, must provide the client file to the client, but can charge for repeated requests for copies.

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When does the ACR end?

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(1) when matter has concluded; (2) when provided for in an agreement; (3) when client fires the lawyer (and court allows withdrawal); (4) when lawyer clearly tells client representation is ending. Burden on lawyer to clarify misunderstandings and ambiguities.

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When is withdrawal permitted?

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(1) when it won’t substantially harm the client and (2) court says it’s okay; or (3) client consents; or (4) due to client misconduct or lawyer hardship.

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Rule 1.16(d): Protecting Client Interests When Withdrawing

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Always protect client interests! Even if they screwed you over.

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Limited Duty of Loyalty to Former Clients

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Conflict exists only where prior representation and current adverse representation are “the same or substantially related”

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Dishonesty in Litigation

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Misstating facts; Mischaracterizing law; Presenting false evidence; Concealing facts that must be disclosed; Knowingly withholding documents/info properly requested in discovery; Failing to inform judge of all material facts in an ex parte proceeding; Failing to disclose adverse controlling precedent.

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Rule 3.1: Meritorious Claims and Contentions

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Don’t make any claim for which there is not a basis in law and fact (good faith argument for the extension of a law is okay).

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Overzealous Advocacy

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May implicate Rule 3.4 (Fairness to Opposing Party and Counsel); Rule 3.5 (Impartiality and Decorum of the Tribunal); and Rule 4.4 (Respect for the Rights of Third Persons). E.g., Incivility, failure to yield to rulings, accusing court of bias, etc. Note ct’s inherent authority to address this type of conduct (via discipline or
contempt).

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Rule 3.7: Lawyer as Witness

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A lawyer shall not serve as a witness at trial unless: (1) the testimony relates to an uncontested issue; (2) the testimony relates to the legal representation in the case; or (3) disqualification of the lawyer would work substantial hardship on the client. Avoids confusing the decisionmaker.

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Rule 3.2: Expediting Litigation

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Don’t improperly stall!

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Nonconsentable conflicts

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Representing adverse parties in litigation/adversary proceeding.
Representation prohibited by law.
Circumstances where it is not reasonable to believe that lawyer can competently/diligently represent both clients. (If to be loyal to both clients you would be making choices that are different than a lawyer without the dual representation (making compromises, etc), then you have a nonconsentable conflict.)