CAP Flashcards
Bob presents to primary care with symptoms of a LRTI. A point of care CRP is done, which is 18. Should he be given abx?
No - NICE guideline. For pts presenting in primary care with symptoms of LRTI, consider point of care CRP if diagnosis of pneumonia not made and not clear whether abx should be given.
- <20 = no
- 20-100 = consider delayed prescription (they can cash if symptoms worsen)
- >100 = give abx
Sue presents to GP with CAP. She is lucid, has a RR of 30 and is 72. BP 120/80. What is her mortality?
1-10% (intermediate risk)
Primary care: CRB65 score
Confusion, RR ≥30, BP≤ sys90 or dias 60, ≥65
0 (low risk) <1% mortality
1-2 (intermediate) 1-10%
3-4 (high) >10%
For the primary care CRB65 score, where should care be considered?
Confusion, RR ≥30, BP≤ sys90 or dias 60, ≥65
0 = home based care
1-2 consider hospital referral
3+ urgent hospital admission
Bob has a CAP. He is confused, has a urea of 7.5, RR 20, BP 120/70, age 42. What is his mortality? What is his CURB-65 score?
CURB 2 = 3-15% mortality (intermediate risk)
CURB-65: confusion, urea >7, RR ≥30, BP ≤60(dias) ≤90(sys), age ≥65
0-1: low risk (<3% mortality)
2: intermediate (3-15%)
3-5: high (>15-40%)
Sue has a CAP. She is not confused, has a urea of 6.5, RR 40, BP 90/60, age 72. What is her CURB-65 score? What is her mortality?
CURB = 3. Mortality >15%
CURB-65: confusion, urea >7, RR ≥30, BP ≤60(dias) ≤90(sys), age ≥65
0-1: low risk (<3% mortality)
2: intermediate (3-15%)
3-5: high (>15%)
Where should patient with CURB score 3 be managed?
Reviewed early by senior physician. Usually should be managed as high severity
0-1: consider home based care
2+: consider hospital
3+: hospital. review by senior physician
4+: need assessment for specific consideration of ITU
What microbiological tests should be done in patient with low severity CAP?
None
Low - none
Moderate/high - blood + sputum cultures, consider pneumococcal and legionella antigen
Carl presents with CAP. He is not confused and has normal obs. He has had an XR. Should any further tests be done?
No - doesn’t need micro.
Low - none
Moderate/high - blood + sputum cultures, consider pneumococcal and legionella antigen
How quickly should patients with CAP be treated when present to hospital?
Within 4 hours (treatment and diagnosis)
How often should CRP be monitored in patients with CAP and in hospital?
Consider baseline and repeat if clinical progress uncertain after 48-72 hours.
Bob has CAP. He is on abx. He wants to go home. His obs are: T38, HR80, RR 18, BP 100/80. Can he safely be discharged?
Could be considered for discharge but likely delay.
Do not routinely discharge if 2 or more of:
- T > 37.5 (consider delaying if this even without other features)
- RR ≥24
- HR >100
- Sys BP ≤90
- O2 SATS <90% on RA
- abnormal mental status
- inability to eat without assistance
Jane is being discharged from hospital where she was treated for CAP. How long before she can expect to be back to normal?
Up to 6 months
1 week: fever
4 weeks: chest pain and sputum production reduced
6 weeks: cough and SOB substantially reduced
3 months: most symptoms gone but may be fatigued
6 months: feel back to normal
Jane is being discharged from hospital where she was treated for CAP. How long before she can expect the cough to last?
Should be substantially reduced by 6 weeks
1 week: fever
4 weeks: chest pain and sputum production reduced
6 weeks: cough and SOB substantially reduced
3 months: most symptoms gone but may be fatigued
6 months: feel back to normal
Jane is being discharged from hospital where she was treated for CAP. How long before she can expect the fatigue to last?
Should be back to normal by 6 months.
1 week: fever
4 weeks: chest pain and sputum production reduced
6 weeks: cough and SOB substantially reduced
3 months: most symptoms gone but may be fatigued
6 months: feel back to normal
Bay has CAP. His CURB score is 0. What abx should he be given?
NOTE, BTS SAYS 7 DAYS FOR DURATIONS AND 7-10 FOR HIGH
CURB65 0-1/low severity:
- Amoxicillin 500mg TDS for 5d.
- Pen allergy/aytpical suspected: Doxycycline 200mg for 1d then 100mg for 4d OR Clarithromycin 500mg BD 5d OR Erythromycin 500mg QDS 5d (pregnancy)
CURB 2/moderate severity:
- Amoxicillin 500mg TDS for 5d +/- Clarithromycin (if atypical suspected) OR Erythmycin (pregnancy)
- Pen allergy: Doxycycline 200mg for 1d then 100mg for 4d OR Clarithromycin 500mg BD (or Levo or Moxi)
nb. if already tried amoxicillin, consider monotherapy macrolide
nb. if PO not possible, IV amox/benpen + clari, or in pen allergy mono levo or clari + cefuoxime/cefotaxime/ceftriaxone
CURB 3-5/high severity:
- Co-Amoxiclav 500/126 TDS or 1.2g IV TDS for 5d + Clarithromycin 500mg (oral or IV) OR Erythromycin 500mg QDS 5d (pregnancy)
– Pen allergy: Clari + Cefuoxime/Cefotaxime/Cetriaxone (NICE say Levofloxacin 500mg (oral or IV) BD for 5d)
Bay has CAP. His CURB score is 3. What abx should he be given?
NOTE, BTS SAYS 7 DAYS FOR DURATIONS AND 7-10 FOR HIGH
CURB65 0-1/low severity:
- Amoxicillin 500mg TDS for 5d.
- Pen allergy/aytpical suspected: Doxycycline 200mg for 1d then 100mg for 4d OR Clarithromycin 500mg BD 5d OR Erythromycin 500mg QDS 5d (pregnancy)
CURB 2/moderate severity:
- Amoxicillin 500mg TDS for 5d +/- Clarithromycin (if atypical suspected) OR Erythmycin (pregnancy)
- Pen allergy: Doxycycline 200mg for 1d then 100mg for 4d OR Clarithromycin 500mg (or Levo or Moxi)
nb. if already tried amoxicillin, consider monotherapy macrolide
nb. if PO not possible, IV amox/benpen + clari, or in pen allergy mono levo or clari + cefuoxime/cefotaxime/ceftriaxone
CURB 3-5/high severity:
- Co-Amoxiclav 500/126 TDS or 1.2g IV TDS for 5d + Clarithromycin 500mg (oral or IV) OR Erythromycin 500mg QDS 5d (pregnancy)
- Pen allergy: Clari + Cefuoxime/Cefotaxime/Cetriaxone (NICE say Levofloxacin 500mg (oral or IV) BD for 5d)
Bay has CAP. His CURB score is 2. What abx should he be given?
NOTE, BTS SAYS 7 DAYS FOR DURATIONS AND 7-10 FOR HIGH
CURB65 0-1/low severity:
- Amoxicillin 500mg TDS for 5d.
- Pen allergy/aytpical suspected: Doxycycline 200mg for 1d then 100mg for 4d OR Clarithromycin 500mg BD 5d OR Erythromycin 500mg QDS 5d (pregnancy)
CURB 2/moderate severity:
- Amoxicillin 500mg TDS for 5d +/- Clarithromycin (if atypical suspected) OR Erythmycin (pregnancy)
- Pen allergy: Doxycycline 200mg for 1d then 100mg for 4d OR Clarithromycin 500mg BD (or Levo or Moxi)
nb. if already tried amoxicillin, consider monotherapy macrolide
nb. if PO not possible, IV amox/benpen + clari, or in pen allergy mono levo or clari + cefuoxime/cefotaxime/ceftriaxone
CURB 3-5/high severity:
- Co-Amoxiclav 500/126 TDS or 1.2g IV TDS for 5d + Clarithromycin 500mg (oral or IV) OR Erythromycin 500mg QDS 5d (pregnancy)
- Pen allergy: Clari + Cefuoxime/Cefotaxime/Cetriaxone (NICE say Levofloxacin 500mg (oral or IV) BD for 5d)
Mr Blob is at the GP. He has symptoms consistent with pneumonia? He has no co-morbidities. What investigations should he have?
Pulse oximeter
- XR only needed if diagnostic doubt, unsatisfactory progress on treatment, or at risk of underlying lung pathology e.g. cancer
When should CXR be repeated for CAP?
6 weeks if: (whether admitted to hospital or not)
- persistent symptoms or signs
- high risk of underlying malignancy (smoker, >50)
What investigations should be considered if persistent signs, symptoms and radiology, 6 weeks after CAP?
Bronchoscopy
What investigations should be done in pt admitted to hospital with CAP?
SATS +/- arterial blood gas
CXR to confirm diagnosis
U&E for severity assessment
CRP to aid diagnosis and provide baseline
FBC
LFTs
Micro if mod-severe CAP or low severity + epidemiological/co-morbidity/prior abx reasons
- mod: blood +/- sputum (if can expectorate and haven’t had abx)
- sev: blood + sputum
What microbiological investigations for CAP should be carried out in the community?
Not routine.
Sputum if not responding to empirical therapy
TB if associated symptoms/risk factors
Urine Ag, PCR tests or serology may be considered during an outbreak/epidemic/epidemiological/clinical reasons
When should blood cultures be done for CAP?
Mod-High severity in hospital
When should sputum cultures be done for CAP??
High severity.
Moderate + expectorating with no abx yet given
Community if failure to respond
When should sputum Legionella be sent?
If legionella Ag positive (in order to get isolates for epidemiological typing and comparison to environmental sources)
OR if bronch samples
When should gram stain be done on sputum?
High severity CAP or complications.