Better Deck lol Flashcards
When does law underdetermine a decision?
when a class of legal reasons could lead to more than one outcome a2 realists - also means class of legal reasons is insufficient to explain or cause the CN
what’s wrong w/descriptive theses of sophisticated formalism a2 legal realists?
1) L = rationally indeterminate - class of legal R4s justifies multiple outcomes in any given case (esp. re: appellate review cases)
2) adjudication not autonomous - judges must rely on things outside of class of L r4s
K Q = what really explains outcomes of cases w// L indeterminate? what does Llewellyn think??
source of indeterminacy = conflicting but equally legit ways to interpret precedent & statutes
what are some diff conceptions of legitimacy?
sociological - interp it legit w// Js & JDs accept R4s (there are alt sociological defs but they are descriptive)
philosophical - explains what would justify a practice
Christopher Columbus Langdell vs the Realists
both agreed that the study of law needed to be
scientific, but disagreed about the correct way for the science of law to proceed
a “positivistic” intellectual culture
natural science is the paradigm of all genuine knowledge
natural science = 1) empiricism 2) experimental method to verify 3) value neutrality 4) cause & fx
behaviorism
(John Watson, later B.F. Skinner)
- Only behavior is observable; the mind is a “black box”
- Stimulus-response (e.g., Pavlov’s dog)
- Watsonian behaviorism on the rhetoric of the Realists (but Moore took it very seriously)
“Core Claim” of legal realism
judges response primarily to the stimulus of the underlying facts of the
case (“the situation-type”) rather than legal rules and reasons.
“Idiosyncrasy Wing” of Realism
(Frank, Judge Hutcheson): idiosyncratic facts about the judge’s
personality determine the response, the “hunch” about how the case should come out.
Frank: Facts + personality of judge = decision
prediction almost impossible
“Sociological Wing” of Realism
(Llewellyn, Radin, Oliphant, etc.): social facts (class, socialization, professional experience, etc.) channel responses into predictable patterns.
EG Llewellyn LQ judges try to enforce uncodified norms of each type of commercial activity
Holmes’s “The Path of the Law”: the two “fallacies”
(1) “a confusion between law and morality” (459); H. emphasizes “the difference between law and
morals…with reference to a single end, that of learning and understanding the law” (459)
(2) “the only force at work in the development of the law is logic” (465)