Around and Under Flashcards
What should you do if they make grips you your legs while you are sitting up?
Lay down on your back
As you can then use your feet buy pummeling and use your arms to grip
When you fall back, establish a guard
Perhaps if they only get one grip then break it
What Postures that deny your opponent the pass?
Facing your opponent, if they go to the side of you face them
but don’t go all the way onto your side
Why should your keep Abs engaged and a stiff body
Stops them pulling your leg down and if they do manage to pull your leg down then if you are stiff your upper body will follow, this keeps your vulnerable parts protected
What should you do with your knees when lying down
Flared, If your knees are too close together then they can be mashed
Or pushed to one side
Where should your feet be when lying down?
Flared, If your knees are too close together then they can be mashed
Or pushed to one side
Where should your feet be when lying down?
Feet above a lifted butt
When they push on your feet then instead of sitting you up it
Just pushes your feet into your body
Why would we hip out? Visualise it
Sometimes wee will want to escape our hips out
Often by almost inverting, the object of this is to
Give you room to pummel your foot in or a knee sheild in if
They are closer. As soon as they start to get a bit of control,
hip out to enable the pummel
Where and how do we frame?
Frames should be pre-emptive! Always frame both shoulders (you can use a mixture of hands a feet to do this)
If you do not they can rotate out of the frame and get past it
Do not put feet on hips unless you have upper body control
Put feet on the biceps or shoulders
They are very hard to clear while op is engaged, this is why we
Often use push pull with established guards
So push into them with a frame but if they start to disengage and you get over extended,
retract the frame
What is good practice and positioning for leg frames? If they go under your legs? If they try a throwby? If they pummel under the bicep
Bicep frames- often keep them at the top of the bicep with your heel tucked into
their chest to stop them circling their hand in.
The correct foot positionings-
If they are trying to push into us or direct our feet to one side put feet on biceps
If they go under your legs- lasso your foot under their lat
If they pumel under your bicep frame with their hand, dig your
Heel into their chest and undenith their bicep
They they try to throwby- put your foot on the outside
What may you have to do with your Shin angle for pummeling
Sometimes you will haxe to chop your shin inside to repumel
Where should you put Arm frames, how do you make room for them, U grip use? Gi specific frames?
Frame on what ever they lead with, shoulder, leg bicep, legs
Making room to get frames in- retract and move forward your shoulder, moxe your upper body away
Use the flat hand use the grip use the ball of the hand, you want the maximum distance possible
If you use the U grip, this can stop them moving side to side as easy
Gi specific frames
Which ever side collar you grab you are preventing that shoulder from coming towards you
When making collar grips as frames do so on the collar bone to frame them away, you can al
Also redirect knuckles onto the throat to really push them away
Sleeve grips,
Often used double under, push them away when doing this
What is the three step sequence to Off balance to recover
- Load
- collapse
Off balance
- collapse
When should you let them hug the head, Why? Exceptions?
Never, They can turn your head away and you lose power
However if they hug your head when you have good leg positioning
This is bad for them, you can use armbars etc
No gi it is hard to connect to them without the head or body lock
How to avoid getting your leg pinned or cleared?
- Always have your foot pointing upwards and heel facing up an toe down to prevent the pin in the first place
- If you start to feel your leg getting pinned take your head to the Pinned leg a moze your hips away/ inevert for a second and then reset the angle
- Put your arm under that leg to assit it before it gets pinned palm up and
- Thumb on the outside
- This is premptive
- I call this the SIDE SCISSOR
As they come around to the side of you track them with your side scissor leg
How should you hip escape?
Not by putting your top foot on the floor
In general this will open your ribs up too much
On occasion it is ok to put your bottom inside foot on the floor
Instead high pummel or if you are turning away to and your top foot becomes the bottom foot
When to sit up escape?
POP UP When they are pulling down on your legs
Do not do when they have strong upped body controls
It is a good idea to do when they are on the hips
How to avoid them twisting your spine?
SPINE ALIGHN If your legs do ever get turned in the wrong direction you must turn your body with your legs bringing your head towards your legs and recover with a near inversion
This is very much like the response to the leg getting pinned
Explain all the planes of the leg dab
LEG DAB Have one leg high and one leg low this stops them from controling your legs in the same plain, have them active, constantly swap the low and high leg
This also makes it easier to point the sole of the foot, you often want the knees flared to do to this
You can control what way you turn by how far you put your leg back, you must be flexible to do this
Your leg put at different angles in the horizontal plain
How are your elbow used in guard retention? 3 points
- Self framing the knees to stop your legs getting pushed to the floor, use your other leg wisely
- Moving your body- You can take your hips to and away from your elbow as needed
- Base- Often one of your elbows will be on the ground when another will be framing, gives you a good base and stops them tillting you as much
What are your two Late stage options
Two options-
Turn into them, the best option Coming up to the single leg
Or
Roll away
Should you ever Push against a stack or Invert when your oppolent is on you?
No
When should you Gangorra/granby roll? X 2
When they get to the side of you and they turn your hips away from them it is used to roll over and end up facing them while sitting
Or if your are facing away from them on your side but you want to be facing them Gongoa over and end up on your side facing them
How should you Gangorra/granby roll?
Tuck your foot in, bringing it to your body, then bring your head to your foot, rolling onto your shoulder with your elbow into yourside this lets you push off the ball of your foot to lift your hips and send yourself over
Keep your hips low with minimal back exposure
Get your head deep underneath sliding and folding your upper body right underneath your legs
You can be framing them away with your top hand as you are send over
4 steps to High pummel? 1 common mistake
When they get to the side of you or turn you away it lets you square up and create distance with op
- Maintain a frame with extended arm if possible
Aim is to get your hips facing your oppolent while moveing them further away - Use your elbow to frame off the mat
- Crunch your abs and use the pendulum motion to swing your leg overOften You should not be falling flat on your back, but towards your bottom leg away from them, this momentum makes it easier to swing over
- get you leg as high as possible, over your head if you can. Throw your leg as high as you can over your head letting your hips come off, use the pendulum action to turn in towards him and lift your hip up
- You can sometimes your arm on your shin to reineforce it
A common mistake is to not initially fall away from them and not using the elbow on the mat
What is an alternative to the high pummel?
the direct pummel
When would you Invert?
1 Often done when op has cleared your bottom leg but you still have your top leg active and on them (connected with your knee usually)
2 Like a high pummel but you just invert and spin your head fully under, doing a full 360
3 Often done when both of your legs are stuck on one side of his body and there is no direct path to bring one leg across, so you go the long way
4 Often done when they have control of one of your legs
You may need to make some space by framing on them and moving your hips and body away from them to invert
How would you Invert?
- They have got around to one side of you
- You turn onto your side facing them
- You use your bottom leg to push up into half turtle
- Tuck your head under and spin all the way through, keeping your top leg connected to them
- Start like a high pummel but spin your whole body, folding into it
Difference between invert and Granby?
When you Invert the initial spin faces your feet and head towards them, in the Granby you are facing your butt at them
How would you do the ‘Same side invert’ or ‘Near side invert’
Lachlan thinks this is probably better in most circumstances
This is the same as the normal invert but you are coming up higher onto your shoulder and roll under yourself, through your head under your body rather than a longer slow roll from shoulder to shoulder that takes up more space, you can do this when they are closer to your as you need less space
Describe the Leg dab
Like usains dab but with your legs, folding one leg and extending the other
As they come to the side of you
or if they are double anke stacking you leg dab on them
Or if the are NS of your, you can leg dab to face them again
leg dabs can also be done in alternate planes
Describe OHOL
One leg HIGH one leg LOW
How do you Move with your elbows?
Swing your hips up off the floor and then Bring your elbows out from your body on the floor and close them to move towards them And visa versa
General Positioning - Retention on your back good practice is? 8 points
- We are looking to maintain our feet in front of them and then setting up our own guards
- Constantly moving
- The next thing we want to have is a feet facing the biceps, but also constantly moving,
- We also want to make sure that our feet are in different positions. So we don’t want to feet basically in the same position, because it’s a lot easier for our opponent to control and read. So one high and one Low and a leg dab
- Always have knees close to the chest or shoulders just so that we have our torso defended, so that they cannot seem to let go.
- Hand positioning. So our hands are either going to be framing our own legs, or our opponent, or we’re going to be using our elbows on the map to square back up with them or change the position of our hips
- Block whatever is leading, block low if you are at risk of getting armbared
- Frame Early, common mistake is to frame to late, frame as soon as the legs are cleared
When and how should you choose a side?
- You don’t want to be square on to an opponent, especially when they get control of your legs
- As soon as they get some kind of control go out to one side and close the space by the J point then frame with your feet and legs
- hips away from our opponent. So it’s easier for us to pummelled our legs and also to invert if need be.
Give a basic strategic overview for around the legs 1-4 levels Strategic overview 11.30
This is a great overview watch over and over
4. Always be looking to swim your feet back to the biceps as they go around to the side
5. Then then look to the 5 types of pummel
6. If they clear your bottom leg only and go around to the side then look to push off it and invert
7. If they turn your hips away look to gongoa
Leg pummelling and crossovers-
Foot placement
Use apropriate foot placement depending on whea they are trying to do
If they do throwbys- put your foot on the outside of the leg
Hmmm come back tohis
If they pun-ch your feet down- curl your toes and retract your legs
The 10 methods of facing in retention in order?
- Nearside pummel
- Farside pummel
- Long pummel
- high pummel
- Under pummel
- Invert
- Side Sissor to Turtle shell spin
- Late Pummel
- Late Pummel to 5050
- Facing in Gongora
Facing in - Belly to come up
4 points on the Nearside pummel
If your hips are facing your opponent it is fine to go for the near shoulder
You can go over or under their arm
You are looking to get that pummel foot on them then retract the bottom foot to place on them again
If you have been slightly turned then do not go for it as it is too easy to deflect
Two points on the Farside pummel
If they have turned, you need to go for the FAR side pummel, to the shoulder that is now… near. Makes sense when you see it
REMEMBER… AFTER THE PUMMEL- push with the pummel foot, retract your other foot back and place it on them again
When and how to Invert?
When they have got so far around and are blocking and gripping in such a way that you are no longer able to pummelWhen to do a bottom leg invert-
When your top leg can’t pummel
Your hips are facing inwards
Can no longer under pummel,
They have cleared your bottom leg
You may have a top kneeshield
1. Plant your bottom leg foot on the floor
2. Keep your top leg tight to your chest
3. Fold your head into your bottom knee
4. Start to lift your hips with the bottom foot and come up onto your shoulder
5. Invert under
6. Keep your top leg on them as a reference, it will change into a hook
Three points on the Long pummel towards the hip
Only if the shoulders are not available then we want to look to go to the far hip
It opens space towards your back so whenever we go far hip we are not looking to recover the other foot but to invert and recover that way.
Always have those arm frame up to buy us time and space
Always have those arm frame up to buy us time and space
When should you use the The high pummel, give 4 points about it,
The high pummel happens when the guard palyer cannot recover the pummel foot under the forearm
Usually when they have good inside control of the far leg
So, if you can’t swim your foot underneath the forearm then look to go over the forearm, they may still punch your legs aways
1 To enable they pummel you just need to get your legabove your belt to take the strength away from their grip
2 Do a big arc with your leg, if you are lazy withit they will regain control
3 Again, use your ns arm to frame them away for space and your other elbow on the floor for strength
6 mistakes from the high pummel?
1 Common mistakes with high pummel- people often high pummel when they don’t need to, they could have just pummeled their foot underneith the forearm or over the forearm and recovered that way
2 Second mistake- they let the NS foot drop to the floor which gives op an opportunity do drop down on it to inside position/kneecut
Third- not using the far arm to either base off the elbow or support the pummel leg from being squashed to the ground initially
Fourth- not hipping out to get the right angle. i.e. If they turn your legs away from them then your high pummel cant get to them, you must hip out and face your hips towards them before pummeling for it to work
Fifth- at the very end you need to point the pummel knee away from your body to enable your lower to come in at the right angle to his shoulder ,
Sixth- Not using premeptive arm frames to give yourself room, often framing on their shoulder
7 step sequence to high pummel?
- Keep them framed away with your arm,
- Use your other elbow on the ground to either base off the elbow or support the pummel leg from being squashed to the ground initially
- Hip out if needed
- Bring the pummel leg around above your head
- Point your pummel knee out
- Bring the lower leg in on their shoulder/inside bicep
- Recover the bottom leg.
Under pummel
The last resort in pummeling is the under pummel, this for when they are stretching to block the high pumel,
This give you room to take your inside leg, put it up on their same side shoulder and then spinning your hips around to the side sissor
Common underpumel mistakes-
* Not using your outside elbow to self frame or frame off ground
* Not framing with arm
* Not spiniing to side scissor and giving them under the leg passes
How do you do a Late Pummel to 5050?
- If you are having trouble recovering the bottom leg it is most likely because they are putting all their weight onto you. In ths case go for 5050 postion
- First wedge your knee between their heel and butt
- Bump them up with both feet and spin your head between their legs, they will most likely turn around into 5050 position
General concepts for North south retention 7 points
- If they get NS always get inside position with your arms, use these frames to get inside position with your legs usually you will be framing on their armpits
- If you can’t get full arm frames in, get forearm frames in
- Leg frames, get your leg right across their body ideally -
- Next best would be same side foot
- Then after this, knee frames
- If they are very far forwards you may be framing off their legs or hips
- You can use the turtle shell spin
- Always be looking to get these frames in so you can recover and spin back around
- When throwing your legs inside, don’t throw both legs to the outside, always get one on the inside
- Always look for the crossed leg, but never let that knee cross your centrline
How do you do the thread through from NS?
Sometimes when pummelling your feet to the inside from inside op may dive a hand to an underhook of you, to the hip-
You can look to trap that arm with the leg don’t look to post your foot on the hip tough
1. Lift your foot up and thread it all the way through to the far hip
1. Once you have done this sometimes you can spin back around and recover 2. However they may pressure in, then you can attack the armbar - bring your head out the side of your threaded foot and straighten your knee 3. If they slip their arm out look to take the back
OR
- Spin your head out to the opposite side to the threaded leg and attack the arm
How do you Leg pummel when they are passing under your legs?
As you do a gongoa leg dab as you come around to get your foot on them nice and early
When they are trying to get under you and stack- pummel your leg under their armpit so they cannot
Other places you can put your feet when they are getting under you-
Shoulder, bicep, under the armpit
Or even the pummel over to opposite shoulder or under opposite armpit-
There is also GoGo plata, this is good for stopping getting flipped, it can also be used to repumel onto their body-
How do you high pummel when they are passing under your legs
Keep looking to get your knee off their shoulder if they get it up there
If this knee is pinned, look to self frame it up to inline with your body, also move your upper body to your lower body to help
What should you do to your Opponents posture when they are trying to stack you?
Keep their head pulled down and broken with collar grips and head grips, you can also pull their body over yours
To prevent the lifting when they are standing prevent them from getting too close to you by using frames on their legs
What should you do if they get both ankles stacked above your head?
If they get both ankles stacked-
Use inside arm frames-
Or use one inside frame and use the other to guide your foot to fold inside, then look to get your hips back to the mat
What is the process of preventing op from getting an angle on you from single under, and recovering to alignment when they do?
Push an d pummel Sometimes people will use the far foot planted onto the floor to to hip escape and realign, however this seperates your elbow from knee ang gives them a deep under over or smash pass
Instead go to a very high pummel and repummel your foot. Use self framing on your leg and assisted pummel
Get your trapped leg low on their bicep, put your weight on it.
Also Block the arm reaching across. Best to use a sleeve grip to block the reach around or use an inside frame on the bicep to block the forearm,
What is an alternitive method of preventing op from getting an angle on you from single under, and recovering to alignment when they do?
Hip spin
Or get your leg wide and put weight on it, if the persist in lifting you up then you can spin around going along with the direction they are pushing your leg, inverting to recover
What should you do if they get double unders hands clasped?
Lift hips,
frame their hands away,
drop hips back down (you can wiggle if needs be),
choose and elbow to frame away and escape your knees to that side
What is an alternative if they get double unders hands clasped?
Elbow push escape
As they try to come around the corner post their elbow away down your body then scoot your body out, post up on your arm as you do this
One way you can try to make them over commit to pushing around the corner is by swinging your legs into the, if you struggle to get behind the elbow, elevate your hips a little
You can also kick their head to move their body as you do the elbow push
Freeing the knee form Single under If they lock your knee in like this-
Frame on the bicep-
Hip out keeping your feet off the floor-
Pummel back in
What is the chicken run?
Late stage defense against under over
Turn away and break dance, the chicken run-
If they have you stacked and it is late stage-
Hook your arm under ther stacking arm, keeping your arm tight to your body this prevents seatbelts
Go walk around 180, THEN go to your belly and kneel to face them
OR
After you have walked 90 deg, do a gongoa
If you fully stacked-
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How do you do late stage retention Chestquarters from single under
This is late stage move only, last resort if they have really go the angle on you-
This is done by connecting your foot to your chest, you have to be flexible
Make sure your hips are not getting turned way or lifted off the floor
Use your hands to bring your outside foot to your body like so-
You can use it like a foot on the bicep or even better hook it under their arm
Then work on escaping your other leg .
Sometimes you can stick that far foot under their forearm, after your post it away
You may then invert
What is the early and mid and late stages for Over under prevention?
Early stages-
Frame both of their shoulders away with both of your arms, at later stages you you will pummel under and use a forearm frame to lift their head up, then get your top knee shield in
At even later stages you will use your forearm to stop their head from getting to your hip, you can use your knee on your forearm== to get their head over to the other side
Keep your knee to your chest to prevent them straightening it out under them
Look to get your bottom foot on their bicep or hooked under their armpit
Always avoid getting your legs turned away use your top leg to hip out
Look to get your top knee shield in
Even later stages- when they have that bottom leg stretched out under you look to spin and repummel-
Get your head close to that bottom leg, follow that leg with your upper body
Make sure you use your arms to frame on their shoulder at the same time
Leg drag stack How to recover from the leg drag stack with three options for recovery?
How to recover from the leg drag stack with three options for recovery?
- Try and keep your back and hips on the floor and get bent at the waist
- If he brings your far leg across your body towards him look to get your head towards your legs and under your knees again use your free hand to pull it accross
- Sometimes you can grab your own foot and pull it back accross
- Keep your ns toes planted on the mat and pushing off them
- Look to force up on their boottom leg and put their weight backwards and across your centreline so their weight is off your stacked leg, get your elbow supporitng their wieght
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Three options for recovery-
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- Post up on his elbow and pummel onto his armpit with your foot
- Escap your far leg and get the knee shield back in
- Push him off with that bottom leg-
An option if they stand up to leg drag you is to go into leg entanglement-
